[RedHouse]

Never had a stall once...before, or after the termi install. 2014 1200.

 

[Brianq103]

Never had a stall once...before, or after the termi install. 2014 1200.

Good to know. It doesn't happen all the time to me, but when it does it happens more than once on the same ride. I think I make it worse when I try to rev match on down shifts, which I tend to do more after I've just ridden the Sportster (which would have the back end passing me going into the corner if I didn't rev match!).

 

[RedHouse]

Good to know. It doesn't happen all the time to me, but when it does it happens more than once on the same ride. I think I make it worse when I try to rev match on down shifts, which I tend to do more after I've just ridden the Sportster (which would have the back end passing me going into the corner if I didn't rev match!).

I hear ya on the sportster...I have a 1250 that I have locked up the tire because I didn't do that on a downshift.

I don't worry about it too much on the monster because of the slipper clutch though.

 

[cmpfreak88]

Just to report back in case anyone else was having the issue. I just had my full Termi system installed on Saturday and it fixed the issue, however during the install and map update they did say there were 2 other ECU updates involving fuel mapping and throttle, so I don't know which of these fixed the problem conclusively, but it's worth a check to see if you need those updates. I do know the Termi update fixed any doubts that this bike is truly a Monster haha, they are well worth every penny!

Just so that everyone knows the exact test scenario I used to see if it was stalling I was able to get mine to consistently stall by cruising at approximately 40MPH, down shifting aggressively to get the revs up to over 6k, then clutching in, this would cause the engine to sputter and stall. Less aggressive downshifting would cause it to sometimes stall and sometimes just sputter and restart and the lights would flicker. Repeating the exact same steps with the ECU update and full Termis has no issues, revs stay consistent once clutch is pulled in.

 

[Handsome_Rob]

Do you know the dates of the updates? I called the dealer yesterday and they said there wasn't one?

 

[wrussi]

everybody i know here locally with a monster 1200s has this issue including myself. dealerships here have tried everything from charcoal canister removal to injectors to tps sensors and even whole ECU interchanges. nothing will fix it, after a while bike will randomly start stalling again. we have come to the conclusion that it is the ECU map. the latest updated available map WILL NOT fix it. we've complained to ducati USA and they dont care.... they assured us that the bike has been blessed by the pope and tutto bene! lol JK
the only map that seems to fix the issue is the one that comes with the termis.

so you have two options 1. learn to live with it. or 2. spend the $1600 for the termis.

 

[Handsome_Rob]

Well, this sucks. My dealer has gotten zero support from DNA. During one ride it stalled while the tech was wearing the diagnostic back pack. They made some sort of adjustment and reflashed it with the current map. It was ok for a ride or two then it was back to its old self. What doesn't make sense is those who have reflashed and claim the problem is no more. Not questioning the integrity of any member of this forum. If we all have the same product why does it fix some and not others?

 

[MirinMonster]

Get ECU update. Had the same problem which disappeared after they updated it.

 

[Sonic Duck]

Well, this sucks. My dealer has gotten zero support from DNA. During one ride it stalled while the tech was wearing the diagnostic back pack. They made some sort of adjustment and reflashed it with the current map. It was ok for a ride or two then it was back to its old self. What doesn't make sense is those who have reflashed and claim the problem is no more. Not questioning the integrity of any member of this forum. If we all have the same product why does it fix some and not others?

Because it's not a bag of hammers. Sort of a complicated thing. Also, same symptoms do not necessarily indicate same problem.

 

[Handsome_Rob]

That was more of a rhetorical question, chief. Thanks for clearing that up though.

 

[Scubaman]

Because it's not a bag of hammers. Sort of a complicated thing. Also, same symptoms do not necessarily indicate same problem.

My dealer said it had more to do with the clutch slave. just fyi

 

[Sonic Duck]

My dealer said it had more to do with the clutch slave. just fyi

Pretty sure the tipping point for mine was the master but it is/was slight enough to be fixed with the last flash.

Again, complex system where a smidge of this and a smidge of that add up to if you get stalls and how often.

 

[Brianq103]

The mechanic at my dealer said the light flywheel exacerbates the problem. Like SD said, no one thing is responsible.

 

[Rosso Classico]

Aaaaaand...i have the stalling thing also, 2014 manufacturing date, 2015 M.Y, bike has the latest FW update, took it to the dealer, they reset the TPS but still no go (little bit better than yesterday though).

is there actually a remedy about this ? I'm not giving Ducaudi another 1500€+tax for the Termis and up-map for the "privilege" of not having my bike stalling, ****'s dangerous to say the least and a rapidbike is also out of the question.

What's the proper, official (i.e: Ducati's ) solution ? Last post in this thread is from January, do we have an update about this ?

 

[Brianq103]

Aaaaaand...i have the stalling thing also, 2014 manufacturing date, 2015 M.Y, bike has the latest FW update, took it to the dealer, they reset the TPS but still no go (little bit better than yesterday though).

is there actually a remedy about this ? I'm not giving Ducaudi another 1500€+tax for the Termis and up-map for the "privilege" of not having my bike stalling, ****'s dangerous to say the least and a rapidbike is also out of the question.

What's the proper, official (i.e: Ducati's ) solution ? Last post in this thread is from January, do we have an update about this ?

Officially, the bike has no problem, at least according to Ducati North America. Mine stalls when I ride aggressively and then brake aggressively...then bwaaaa. If I'm lucky I can pull the clutch in and restart it then keep going. But then there are the times where it stalls and the only way it will restart is to put it in neutral, turn off the key, turn on the key then retry starting. Lots of fun in the middle of a busy road at the lights with cars piled up behind you!

 

[Radracer6]

Guys our bikes run super lean from the factory down low, it's stalls when you rev as it's not getting enough fuel. Get the rapidbike, the module adds fuel and it fixed there issue for me.

 

[Rosso Classico]

Officially, the bike has no problem, at least according to Ducati North America. Mine stalls when I ride aggressively and then brake aggressively...then bwaaaa. If I'm lucky I can pull the clutch in and restart it then keep going. But then there are the times where it stalls and the only way it will restart is to put it in neutral, turn off the key, turn on the key then retry starting. Lots of fun in the middle of a busy road at the lights with cars piled up behind you!

Thanks Brian.

Your bike's stock, correct ?
So, let me get this straight, the only way around this is to install the Termis and re-map ? What the ****...
Now this is a real safety hazard, not the non-visible display :grin or the shitty rear brake (which for me works good to be honest).

Middle of a busy road ? Try when downshifting and rev-matching before entering a corner man...:grin, wait, that's not funny actually...

So, like you mentioned in your last post, no remedy (clutch slave/TPS/ECU update) is a sure thing/solution, right ?
Weird thing is, some users mentioned that the latest SW update helped/cured the problem while others said it did jack ****, i've also read that it's the throttle assembly ?
It's mostly theorized that it's just a poor fueling problem - something which the termi+up map case can back it up,so, if it's just a simple fueling re-map thing, why hasn't Ducati come up with a new one ? I mean, that's what they did back in the day with the MTS1200 which had the same stalling problems, correct ?

Edit : @ Radracer : it may help friend but...that's not the friggin' official "fix", i mean, why we as customers should pay extra for a 3rd party solution ? Isn't this Ducati's obligation to fix it ?
Not willing to spend extra moolah for something that shouldn't be there in the 1st place, besides, i've already got the DP alarm system instaled so that'd be a no-go to begin with (installing the rapidbike that is)

 

[Radracer6]

Thanks Brian.

Your bike's stock, correct ?
So, let me get this straight, the only way around this is to install the Termis and re-map ? What the ****...
Now this is a real safety hazard, not the non-visible display :grin or the shitty rear brake (which for me works good to be honest).

Middle of a busy road ? Try when downshifting and rev-matching before entering a corner man...:grin, wait, that's not funny actually...

So, like you mentioned in your last post, no remedy (clutch slave/TPS/ECU update) is a sure thing/solution, right ?
Weird thing is, some users mentioned that the latest SW update helped/cured the problem while others said it did jack ****, i've also read that it's the throttle assembly ?
It's mostly theorized that it's just a poor fueling problem - something which the termi+up map case can back it up,so, if it's just a simple fueling re-map thing, why hasn't Ducati come up with a new one ? I mean, that's what they did back in the day with the MTS1200 which had the same stalling problems, correct ?

Edit : @ Radracer : it may help friend but...that's not the friggin' official "fix", i mean, why we as customers should pay extra for a 3rd party solution ? Isn't this Ducati's obligation to fix it ?
Not willing to spend extra moolah for something that shouldn't be there in the 1st place, besides, i've already got the DP alarm system instaled so that'd be a no-go to begin with (installing the rapidbike that is)

Blame euro emissions. I have the Scorpio gps (ride core) alarm and the rapidbike and both fit under the seat. Plus your bike will run so much stronger and smoother w the module it'll blow your mind and you'll fall in love again.

 

[Brianq103]

Oh, ya Rosso I forgot to mention; try not to rev match on this bike. It just exacerbates the problem. You have to let the slipper clutch do its job. I keep forgetting and I either stall this bike or the back end tries to pass me on the Harley.:wink

 

[Rosso Classico]

Blame euro emissions. I have the Scorpio gps (ride core) alarm and the rapidbike and both fit under the seat. Plus your bike will run so much stronger and smoother w the module it'll blow your mind and you'll fall in love again.

Rad, i know that the Euro regs. are partly to blame but, again, they did it for the MTS1200 '10 and onwards (releasing an ECU update which fixed the fuelling), funny thing is, not a single review of the bike mentions this problem - and it is a big problem having your vehicle shutting down in the middle of the road...
Regarding the rapidbike, i believe you Rad but i'm not willing to spend an extra 400€ to fix something that should be fixed by Ducati, it's a...moral/principle thing my good man

Oh, ya Rosso I forgot to mention; try not to rev match on this bike. It just exacerbates the problem. You have to let the slipper clutch do its job. I keep forgetting and I either stall this bike or the back end tries to pass me on the Harley.:wink

Will try to get used to it (not rev-matching that is) Brian although, yeah, it's a shitty counter-measure man, dunno, maybe it's just me but...

Is the Ducati diagnostic tool which is found at dealers able to change AFR values or is it a not-so-simple job ? Bike runs lean, the constant popping from the exhausts backs that up so...