[206_MonsterSP]

I bought mine here. USA customers are not charge VAT so it is much cheaper for us.

96481843AA TERMIGNONI PAIR OF RACING EXHAUST OFFICIAL DUCATI MONSTER 937 2021-2024

96481843AA TERMIGNONI PAIR OF RACING EXHAUST OFFICIAL DUCATI MONSTER 937 2021-2024

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[miks]

I bought mine here. USA customers are not charge VAT so it is much cheaper for us.

96481843AA TERMIGNONI PAIR OF RACING EXHAUST OFFICIAL DUCATI MONSTER 937 2021-2024

96481843AA TERMIGNONI PAIR OF RACING EXHAUST OFFICIAL DUCATI MONSTER 937 2021-2024

www.wrs.it

ok so when purchasing online, you gave them(online store) your VIN and they unlocked upmap in ducati database. then you travel to any dealar and do the thing. right?

 

[LBV]

ok so when purchasing online, you gave them(online store) your VIN and they unlocked upmap in ducati database. then you travel to any dealar and do the thing. right?

If I was you, I'd be calling the dealer first to ensure they can do what you think they can do.

 

[carcollector]

I drove yesterday in 94 degree, North Carolina heat. At lights the bike temp got to about 215 and the heat felt like it was pouring out and getting soaked up by my legs. Unpleasant. Will avoid anything over 85 degrees going forward. While moving, no issues.

 

[DHDad]

When moving the airflow saves the legs a little though over 85 I still find myself riding with my legs as wide as possible to catch airflow, definitely not the hug the tank technique 😅

There's a lot of talk about temperature but the fact is all bikes get hot, especially 4 stroke engines. My 2003 KTM EXC got so hot it would overheat moving at trail temps so I had to install a radiator fan. Difference is the volume of heat of these bigger bikes, one cylinder produces less heat than 2 and 2 larger cylinders should produce more heat than 2 small cylinders. The temp isn't necessarily hotter but it will take more to cool down the bigger ones, in the Monster's case those fans are blasting the upper legs and for quite a while.

A 215 degree 250 thumper will feel noticably cooler to the rider than a 215 degree 900+ V Twin. Especially due to wear the radiator fans blow all that damn heat😓

 

[Pinocchio]

The radiator fan most likely pulls the majority of the heat felt on the right thigh sitting at stops; Ducati claims to have minimized that problem on the 950 Super Sport with outlet vanes in the lower fairing designed to divert the fan blast away from the rider's legs. The upper cylinder header pipe is pretty well heat-shielded; or at at least it's more substantial than the simple metal heat shield on my old M1200R was. I've never felt that my M937 seat needed heat shielding added, but I do have the tall seat installed.

My local tech suggested that a lot of felt heat radiates from the oil bath in the wet clutch. GB Racing and R&G both make engine covers, ostensibly for crash protection, but GB Racing claims they also dissipate heat from the cases.

Ducati has been producing water-cooled twins for long enough that you would think someone has tried using an infrared thermometer to locate and measure the various heat sources, but I haven't found any forum or video that describes using one to run this problem down.

 

[LBV]

Ducati has been producing water-cooled twins for long enough that you would think ...

... they'd have figured this out by now.

Someone local traded in his brand new '23 Panigale V4 on a '23 SuperDuke R Evo because he couldn't stand the heat. I'm not sure I'd buy another Ducati until they get this heat issue resolved.

 

[Pinocchio]

I bought this yesterday:

I’ll play with it and report back with my findings; may be a couple of weeks, though.

 

[miks]

be aware that IR thermometers dont work on reflective surfaces like polished metal. to be sure measurement is correct you need to tape a spot or paint it black with marker.

 

[Pinocchio]

I'm considering this DIY kit for a heat barrier project for the saddle and any other hot frame or bodywork/fairing locations affecting the rider where it could be unobtrusive, but effective.

DEI motorcycle heat barrier kit

 

[DHDad]

I'm considering this DIY kit for a heat barrier project for the saddle and any other hot frame or bodywork/fairing locations affecting the rider where it could be unobtrusive, but effective.

DEI motorcycle heat barrier kit

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Personally I don't think radiating heat is an issue on the Monster rather it's when the fan kicks in at lower traffic speeds and engine temp crosses 208F. The fan blasts both thighs and that heat deflects off them up towards me. This kit above is likely more effective on a bike like the 848 with two pipes directly under the seat. On some bikes there's a deflection kit to direct the heat away from the rider but I don't see how this would ever work on a 937.

Triumph Tiger deflector

 

[Pinocchio]

Agree, a deflector mounted close to the radiator fan like that would be ideal. The Tiger’s fairing design provides a convenient mounting point right where it needs to be but there is only one attachment point in that location on the Monster, where the frame is bolted to the front cylinder.

I plan to install the Evotech frame sliders at some point. The slider could provide a second attachment point for a deflector placed between it and the radiator.

 

[miks]

after installing full termi system i can definetly say it feels hotter than my previous setup arrow link pipe+stock cans. heat is not coming from exhaust itself tho, its from engine. The bike is not runnning hotter, it just feels hotter. my wild guess is that arrow midpipe has much simpler design which could lead to better airflow while moving.

 

[DHDad]

after installing full termi system i can definetly say it feels hotter than my previous setup arrow link pipe+stock cans. heat is not coming from exhaust itself tho, its from engine. The bike is not running hotter, it just feels hotter. my wild guess is that arrow mid pipe has much simpler design which could lead to better airflow while moving.

Doesn't the full termi have it's own map? I would guess that has more to do with it. The full Termi system is a race system and Ducatis are intended to run hot so for racing I'd expect it even hotter. What map did you have with the Arrow mid pipe?

 

[miks]

Doesn't the full termi have it's own map? I would guess that has more to do with it. The full Termi system is a race system and Ducatis are intended to run hot so for racing I'd expect it even hotter. What map did you have with the Arrow mid pipe?

i rode without upmap for a while with termis installed and observed this.
on arrow midpipe i rode stock map

 

[DHDad]

With my Arrow mid pipe, Indy slip on and Shift Tech Upmap the bike runs hot. Bone stock the bike ran hot. There's just no getting around it, the Monster likes to cook me in any situation over 80f where I can't sustain forward movement over 35mph. Rode 8 hours Sunday and I was so exhausted from being Air Fried the last 2 hours in weekend traffic getting home.

I think the solution is to have a Broom Wagon trail me (like Tour de France riders have) so when traffic condition become unsuitable for the Monster I can load it in the van and sit in AC

 

[miks]

lane splitting/filtering is your friend in traffic. not everywhere it is legal tho afaik. i use bike mostly for city and i imagine if i had to sit in traffic with cars id probably be pissed by heat. but now i enjoy it as a cold morning feature

 

[DHDad]

lane splitting/filtering is your friend in traffic. not everywhere it is legal tho afaik. i use bike mostly for city and i imagine if i had to sit in traffic with cars id probably be pissed by heat. but now i enjoy it as a cold morning feature

Yeah/No, not in Mass anyways. Not only is it not legal drivers will do their best to make it impossible if they see you try. Bad enough the stupid moves some make just because they have an issue with people trying to pass them. I've seen videos of lane splitting in CA and think "Wow those drivers are so tolerant to this"

My solution to date has to been to take my son's Ninja 400 on hot days but the downside of that is the position on that bike bothers my wrists too quickly and everytime I take it it's about 2-3 miles before I adapt to needing to shift through 3 gears to reach the speed the Monster will do in 1st

 

[Pinocchio]

Two other things to try:

Engine Ice

Superior heat reduction for maximum performance. Engine Ice Hi-Performance Coolant provides superior heat transfer to maximize horsepower output in all powersport vehicles. Keep your cool no matter how hot the competition or how treacherous the terrain becomes.

www.engineice.com

WaterWetter®

Unique agent for cooling systems that doubles the wetting ability of water

www.redlineoil.com

Both claim to offer better heat transfer, which would theoretically reduce radiant heat and radiator fan cycling time. The air temp from the fan blast would be the same, of course, but supposedly with later onset and shorter cycling time. When ambient temps are in F° triple digits, there won’t be any noticeable difference.

LT Snyder of DesmoTimes was a long-time advocate of WaterWetter, as mentioned in his Ducati maintenance books, but I notice he’s in the Engine Ice camp now, albeit with a clear-eyed disclaimer about its effectiveness: Product 934 – Engine Ice – Desmo Times
My ‘21 is due for its 24-mo coolant change anyway, so I’ll give the Engine Ice a try.

As luck would have it, high temps next week are forecast to be in the low 80s F°.

It’s all subjective anyway. My Ducati tech told me once if I couldn’t stand the heat, I should ride another make. I told him I‘d look for some asbestos riding pants first.

 

[miks]

Yeah/No, not in Mass anyways. Not only is it not legal drivers will do their best to make it impossible if they see you try. Bad enough the stupid moves some make just because they have an issue with people trying to pass them. I've seen videos of lane splitting in CA and think "Wow those drivers are so tolerant to this"

My solution to date has to been to take my son's Ninja 400 on hot days but the downside of that is the position on that bike bothers my wrists too quickly and everytime I take it it's about 2-3 miles before I adapt to needing to shift through 3 gears to reach the speed the Monster will do in 1st

damn thats sad. in my country cars usually even move aside to make more room in traffic if they see bike filtering and struggle to pass.
also it is totally legal along with using bus lanes and parking on sidewalks