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Shifting technique on a tachless Monster

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So my '00 Monster 750 doesn't have a tach. It doesn't bother me too much. It's kind of cool that the display is simpler and all. One day I might even remove the speedometer and go all-out hardcore.

BUT, being a n00b at riding, I don't know exactly when are the best times to shift. Can someone break down perhaps an approximate speed at which to shift in each gear? I know this is probably not the best way to do it and I imagine it would change depending on different circumstances, like uphill/downhill, maybe even individual bike differences. It would give me a general idea, though, so I can get used to the sound of when to shift.
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You don't really need a tachometer to be in the right gear. On most Ducatis, if you give it full throttle below about 3000 rpms, the bike will be kind of jerky and sort of buck and jump until it gets to an engine speed that it is happy with. You might not notice it in first or second gear, but in third or above it will definitely behave that way. So ride along in third gear and figure out at what point the engine is happy to accept full throttle and you'll then know the lower rpm range to use. Actually, on my ST2 I can go down below 2000 rpms and it's still smooth as long as I don't open the throttle more than about 1/8 turn or so. I don't look at my tachometer very often, because I can feel if the engine is in the right range.

As for finding redline, the Monster engine starts losing power before you get to redline, so when it stops pulling, it's time to shift up another gear. It's difficult to get the engine way past redline anyway, so that shouldn't be a big worry as long as you don't run the engine at high speed all the time.

So what I do when I ride, whenever I'm not in a hurry, is shift up as early as I can into a higher gear. As long as the engine is in a happy range that's all great. If I need to pass somebody or otherwise need more power, I'll downshift until I can feel that it's in the powerband. But when I'm just cruising around, I'll be in sixth gear unless I'm going slow enough that the engine isn't "happy" there, then I'll shift down a gear or two.

So I suggest that you ride in the highest gear that gives you smooth operation and allows you to accelerate as needed and you'll do just fine. You'll learn more about your bike from being in too high of gear and having to downshift again, than by always running to redline and running the engine too fast. You'll soon get a feel for it, and you won't need to look at your speed to know if you're in the right gear..
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Everything Scott says is true, but I'll add a couple more things. As a new rider it's unlikely you'll go fast enough to hit redline in the upper gears (redline in third on my 900 is over 90 mph.). With the very wide powerband the Ducati has you really don't need to take it that far anyway. I've only gone over the redline once,(I do have a tach) and I can tell you it falls on it's nose real quick. I mostly use the tach to down shift and keep the engine above 3500. Not good for it to lug it down below that.

Or you could do it another way. Latley I've been doing mostly 2 up riding. Gf does'nt like to go too fast, so when I do she whacks me in the ribs. Works every time. [laugh]
With the wide powerband I find that you can have a choice of three gears to be in at any one time most of the time. I'm out of first and second pretty quickly. Mostly putter around town in 3rd (30-45). I use 4th on faster roads (45-60) and 5th (60+) on the highway. The way I know I'm going too slow for a gear is when I see my wind screen shaking and feel a surging. If I'm accelerating as quickly as possible. I can stay in first up to 45 if I'm really accelerating hard.

Hope this helps!
Echoing what is already said, i find that the bike is in the sweet spot at the following indicated speeds when pushing the bike a bit:

1st:15-35 mph
2nd:30-55 mph
3rd: 50-65mph
4th: 60-75mph
5th: 70+
I use the shaking windscreen too. [laugh]
Big +1 on the engine falling on it's face over 9K! OMG, I thought I lost a cylinder, or an ignition box blew-up, or I was suddenly trying to tow a Buick... Then, I upshifted...and all was good (I did have a tach on my '99 M750 at that time, it was carburated back then too, and I was at like 10, 500 rpm!)
You could always just get the DP tach kit
Duck-Stew said:
Big +1 on the engine falling on it's face over 9K! OMG, I thought I lost a cylinder, or an ignition box blew-up, or I was suddenly trying to tow a Buick... Then, I upshifted...and all was good (I did have a tach on my '99 M750 at that time, it was carburated back then too, and I was at like 10, 500 rpm!)
You're crazy Stew, and I love it.
You can also hear the motor when it's too loud shift, hell you probably have the feel for it now.
coming from a harley background, i'm a little confused on when to use the 6th gear. does anyone have the "recommended" information on when to shift the gears (e.g. when not pushing the bike)? please let me know. i just got my monster and rode it twice. i think i may be shifting up too early.
Reenz said:
coming from a harley background, i'm a little confused on when to use the 6th gear. does anyone have the "recommended" information on when to shift the gears (e.g. when not pushing the bike)? please let me know. i just got my monster and rode it twice. i think i may be shifting up too early.
If I'm not in a hurry, I shift into the highest gear that the bike will run without lugging the engine. On my ST2, which I just got off of a few minutes ago, I'm often in 4th gear before I get all the way across a wide intersection.

In general, I like the engine to be at least 3000 rpms, but some Ducatis need slightly higher than that. If I want to go fast, I'll try to average about 5000 rpms.

If the engine is too slow for the gear you're in, the bike will sort of buck and jump when you open the throttle. The choices are either to go easier on the throttle or shift to a lower gear.

I'll probably get flamed for my opinion, but it's worked well enough for me through the four Ducatis that I've owned so far.
what scoot said thats how i ride mine
same here. Its just the way the pistons are placed. if you sit on harleys they pretty much always shake. the L piston deisgn. I always thought they buck becasue the engine is trying to not stall and its buckng up, and then foward. I can sit at 2,000rpm (usually my 40mph cruising speed) but if i hti the trottle one bit, it will start bucking , other wise 3000rpm is where you want to be at. I dont know what it is on mine, but crusing at anyting over 3000, the engine souonds like its at red line. you know that sound of trying to rev higher, but it cant.

For normal riding, twist the throttle on first gear until it has a steady rev, for my bike and my hand, its about 4,000 rpm, shift somewhere before your bike makes that sound.
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