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This notion came up in conversation the other day

It was said that the Monster uses an offset triple clamp

To me this means the fork tubes are at a steeper degree than the head tube

ie head tube is at 26 degrees and offset triple puts the forks at 24 degrees

1) Is this true?

2) what are the Pro/coms of this set up
 

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Triple tree offset & rake are the 2 items that make up the trail of a motorcycle (and it's handling characteristics). Offset is the difference between the plane of the headtube & the plane of the fork centers. Usually the forks run at the same angle as the headtube (yours does), but they can be changed to create different handling specifics. Run a straight edge that projects the head tube until it hits the ground. now drop a plumb bob from your front wheel axle to the ground. The measurement between the 2 lines is your trail. Generally speaking, the shorter the trail, the quicker the steering will be & the longer the trail, the more stable a bike will be in a straight line. I consider 2" - 4" to be normal trail for a sportbike & 4" - 6" to be normal for a cruiser. I've seen trail as low as 3/4" and if you check the current fad of Harley type choppers, you'll find WAY high trail numbers.
 

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"wanky" or "wonky"?

;D
 

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IIRC some of the older Triumphs had raked triples.

Harley V-Rods have 'em, just to provide the illusion of the front end being raked out more than it actually is.

If you're looking to alter the trail, it's likely the most difficult way to do it. :-\
 

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This discussion included the idea that the monster had an offset triple that was the other way around

Not raked out but raked in

Roughly the exact quote was

"Your monster seems as flickable to you as your YZ400 because it has an offset triple"

This idea was also used to explain the "monster only straight line crashing phenomenon"

that the pro steering damper guys talk so much about

It was also said that the monster uses a "0" trail, I didn't know what that meant until Norm's explanation and the idea of a reverse rake offset triple would support that

but

again as Norm said this isn't the case with the monster
 

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All you have to do is get vacinated with reason & logic.
BTW, if you had zero trail, every time you hit a bump, the front wheel would try to flip itself 180 degrees. Anything under 2" starts getting a little dicey.
 

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Norm said:
Your friend's an idiot.
He rides an SV and was "explaining" to me why the SV was so superior to the monster

and how Italy basically stole the Monster Idea from Suzuki's SV project

To quote toolfan "I had my skeptical eyebrow raised"

and thought I would ask youz guyz

Once again logic has experience has paid off

thanks again
 

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MonsterHooligan said:
That would be quite tricky since the Monster came out in 1994, and the SV was not introduced until 99
That is what I said

thus the rebuttal of the stolen "SV Project"

What I think is funny is he rides a fully fared SV1000s and really really needs me to know that it is superior to my 620

It's sad really
 

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Mother said:
To quote toolfan "I had my skeptical eyebrow raised"
Aww Shucks.

Is the sadness the quality of moto-buddies on the hill?
Stop working so much and come into town when you want to talk sickles!

He's got a sv-thou huh? I thought it was a six-fiddy. Boy, i don't know, he'll probably be too fast for us...
 

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That 1000 motor used to be really great until Suzuki neutered it. The originals put out 120+ & you could get 135 without too much work. Now they put out 105-107, what a shame.
 

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toolfan said:
Aww Shucks.

Is the sadness the quality of moto-buddies on the hill?
Stop working so much and come into town when you want to talk sickles!

He's got a sv-thou huh? I thought it was a six-fiddy. Boy, i don't know, he'll probably be too fast for us...
different guy

Guy you met just picked up a 650 on friday

My not so informed/reads way too much SVrider.com buddy rides the 1000s

Norm said:
That 1000 motor used to be really great until Suzuki neutered it. The originals put out 120+ & you could get 135 without too much work. Now they put out 105-107, what a shame.
This guys is an '03

are you telling me his claimes of 185 indicated are a little optimistic?
 

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Mother said:
different guy

Guy you met just picked up a 650 on friday

My not so informed/reads way too much SVrider.com buddy rides the 1000s

This guys is an '03

are you telling me his claimes of 185 indicated are a little optimistic?
Well an RC51 will do 205mph ;D
 

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ducman851 said:
Well an RC51 will do 205mph ;D
A good 620 will do 140.
 
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