These two gloves are similar in construction and similar in quality, and from two reputable brands. The GF and I have had both brands, and we stand by the quality of both. I don't think you can go wrong with either, and I would just choose on styling.

Consider:
Some riders allergic to Latex have reported that the visor wipe on the Held irritates their skin. Also, some riders sensitive to the bike's vibrations have reported too much feel with the thin kangaroo palm of the Helds.

 

Thanks for the info. How about in the fingers? Are they fairly flexible and do they provide good feedback on the clutch and brake levers? I've got a pair of Alpinestar winter gauntlets they are obviously fairy thick and I've lost quite a bit of sensation on the levers.

 

UNC- I wear the Carbon Cover S-ST right now. I think that they're great and I'd assume that the full gauntlet version would be similar. My hands stay nice and cool on warm days, but they do get cold when the temps drop. For me, feel at the levers is great and the gloves are nice and flexible after you break them in. They also look really good.

 

Thanks for the input. I've read that the STs aren't perforated and tend to get hot but that doesn't seem to be your experience. Is that correct? Where do they flow air if they aren't perforated?

 

http://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/dainese-4-stroke-evo-gloves

I recently bought these and been using it for the last 3 weeks. The fell great and really look well built. The review was bang on. I wasted money on some other brand a year ago. Should have gone Dainese from the start.

 

I picked up the Carbon Cover ST from my local (well, 15 miles away) Dainese store about a couple months back. I've been pretty happy with them so far. Initially, I did get some numbness and wondered if it was wrist slider related, but I think that was because the gloves weren't broken in yet. I've got fingers that are kind of short for my thumb length, so gloves that fit my fingers tend to be a bit snug on my thumbs until broken in.

This year has flipped back and forth between unseasonably warm and cool around here, so I've ridden with them in temperatures ranging between mid-40F to 80F. At the lower end of that scale, my hands were fairly cold after an hour, and I didn't have any issues with getting sweaty and uncomfortable with short rides at 80F. However, I'm a small guy whose hands tend to get cold easily and I don't sweat much in general, so your mileage may vary.

All in all, they've been more comfortable in spring riding than the older AlpineStars SP-1s that they replaced. The SP-1s had a little too much venting for me in cool weather, and the carbon knuckle on them would dig into the back of my right hand on long rides.

I can't say how they hold up long term since I've only got about 600 miles of riding in with them.

 

Yes, I can confirm that my S-ST's have perforations between the fingers. There are about 4 - 6 holes per side of each finger, except the outside of the index and pinkie fingers. I got these in late spring 2014.

 

I have a pair of Held Evo Thrux that I've been using for about 12,000 miles. When I first purchased them I had to exchange it twice because small part of the stitching was coming off. Not sure if it was structural or just cosmetic but thankfully I bought it locally and was able to exchange easily. They've been trouble free since. I got them when they first came out so maybe QC wasn't all there. After all those miles I noticed the thumb was getting a worn from operating the switches. I still wouldn't hesitate on their safety though. I really love the kangaroo skin. Great feel of everything. Also they don't have hard sliders like some of the other gloves but I think SuperFabric is a good compromise between safety and comfort. I use them from 50-90 degrees and it does get chilly but bearable.

 

I would get Held gloves hands down.

 

Bad experience with Dainese or good experience with Held?

 

Most of the Held gloves have external stitching for comfort and they use Kangroo leather in the plan for durability and tactile feel. Just comparing Dainese 4 stroke to held-namib-gloves, the Held glove is way more comfortable. You really need to try on the glove and experience for yourself. I'm a die hard Dainese jacket guy.

 

Dainese

I have Druids. Full gauntlet glove. Love um- very little break in time. Their on close-out so cheaper <$200.00 if you can still find. Actually got mine through Cycle-gear on-line for $119.00

 

I have Druids. Full gauntlet glove. Love um- very little break in time. Their on close-out so cheaper <$200.00 if you can still find. Actually got mine through Cycle-gear on-line for $119.00

I checked Cycle Gear but they are sold out in all colors and sizes. I looked around other sites and can't find a good deal in my size. Thanks for the heads up though.

 

I was able to find my Held Phantom II for $150.00. If you are able to find it for that price I would pick it up.

Here's the product review from Revzilla.
http://www.revzilla.com/motorcycle/held-phantom-ii-gloves

 

I was able to find my Held Phantom II for $150.00. If you are able to find it for that price I would pick it up.

I have a feeling you and I probably ordered from the same site, as I saw the Phanom IIs for roughly $150 (which is insanely cheap compared to all other places I looked).

Do share a link for the Phantoms IIs for $150, please, and I'll pick up a pair for myself. This is an unbelievable price,

 

I just ordered the Evo Thrux for $88 shipped to my door. If I start doing track days, I'll look into the Phantom IIs. They look like really nice gloves but seem like overkill for me. When I saw the Evo Thrux for $88 shipped, I couldn't pass up the offer.

I have a feeling you and I probably ordered from the same site, as I saw the Phanom IIs for roughly $150 (which is insanely cheap compared to all other places I looked).

 

Any experience with Spidi gear/gloves ?

The carbon 3 look mighty fine

Plus, for those who don't want to break the bank, the STS-R and STR-4 also seem like good choices

 

Motardinn.com

 

Just my humble opinion... Scorpion SGS is top notch for a semi reasonable price. They have the gauntlet for around $140, but I like the shorty for summer @ $90. The reasons I like them: knox scapoid sliders on the palm, kangaroo, micro ceramic, kevlar stitching.
Supple leather, I have two pair one in black, one in red/white. I aslo have a pair of Roland Sands gloves, they are really nice but not so much technical protection...

 

Any one have summer gloves they like for $50 or less? Just bought my bike and feeling broke haha

My Speed & Strengths are about done after 3 years, starting to rip so they'll be done at the end of this season. They served well considering they were only $25. Very comfortable.