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We're trying for a last minute run to get the 2004 calendar done. If you want the nitty-gritty on this topic, check the thread here

Here are the rules:


  • - Submittals may be rejected by the calendar team if the quality of the picture is not up to calendar quality; suggested minimum resolution would be 1600x1200 and should have good focus and composition.
    - The bikes must be DML member rides. One picture per bike, per member.
    - No categories - the thirteen individual bikes with the highest votes get the months and the cover.
    - No rating/weighting - each member will get 5 votes (you cannot use all five votes on the same pic), all votes will count the same.
    - Submissions will be accepted until December 5th, 2003. Voting will take place from December 6th through the 10th.
    - Eligibility - Only DML members that have joined November 9th or earlier are eligible to vote or submit photos.

Fillmore has agreed to tabulate votes. The voting rules would be simple. Only DML/DucatiMonster.org members would be allowed to vote. Five votes per member on a single ballot would be allowed. There will be no categories and all votes will be weighted the same (i.e. your first vote and your fifth vote count the same in the final tabulation. Only one vote per bike is allowed, multiple votes for the same bike on a single ballot will be disregarded.

While there is still some discussion as to voting, we will get that ironed out very soon. What's important right now is that you all get your pics in ASAP, as we only have a couple weeks before voting.

The submissions gallery is Here. Anyone should be able to add photos to the gallery, but if you have any trouble, email me at [email protected].
 

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Re: This is it. Submit your Pics ASAP

Please note that one more rule was added. This is to keep the voting honest.

-dj
 
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Re: This is it. Submit your Pics ASAP

I don't suppose we could make a small change on one rule? How about it must a DML member or taken by a DML member? I have a boat load of cool Moster shots from the track. As far as I know non of them are members.
On the other hand if any members know they rode an event I shot here in the Northeast, please contat me. I shot all the Team Pro Motion, Reduc, NYSBC and Nesab (Pocono Racewayonly for Nesba) track events.
 

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A few comments:

1) Please change the subject of this thread to Monster Calendar Submission Information, and probably make it sticky.

2) I've visited the site and I don't see how "anyone should be able to add photos to the gallery", since you have to log in and there is no obvious link for how to join.

3) It would really help to know the maximum size available for a submitted photo.
 

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I've changed the title of this thread.

To add photos to the gallery, select "Add Photo" from the Admin Options menu in the upper right-hand corner of the screen.

As for maximum size, I haven't set any, so you should be able to submit any size photo you like. If you have trouble, email the pic to me and I'll ftp it up.

Fillmore, does Dennis' idea work? I'm not making the rules, just posting them. ;)
 
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Its just that besides my personal reasons for wanting the change. People take really cool shots on the road and at events of large groups of Monster that might make for some realy cool pictures. As long as the own the shot, and did not dl it from another site, I don"t see the harm.
On the other hand if it is the DNL MEMBERS Calendar thats a horse of a different color. I am going to drag my kid with me to VIR this weekend to get my picturs dragging knee on mthe S4R.
 

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What I meant by "maximum size", was not how big can be submitted, but how big the image is that was submitted. If it's less than 1600 x 1200, I want to know, because it won't make a good calendar photo if the calendar images are 8 x 10.
=====Edit: Fix a minor typo=====
 

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Here was my thinking on the "members only" rule.

1. The calendar bikes are a lot like DML bike of the month. They generate ideas and questions that can enrichen the content on the forums and mailing list on a regular basis. If the bike does not belong to a member then you get posts like "That's a cool bike!" or individual to individual e-mails, but it doesn't have as much potential to add to the DML 'community'.

2. I like to think that the calendar is a "by us - for us" kind of thing. By restricting the content to member bikes, the calendar is a better representation of what's going on with the members of the DML. I also think that it can be rewarding to our members to have a photo selected by their peers, or even to just receive positive comments from their submissions and a lot of that could be wasted if the bike doesn't belong to a DML'er.

That said, I can see where Dennis is coming from. He's a member whose work and craft are very high quality, they represent him as a member, and the photos could be a source of high quality content for the calendar.

I've thought of the last couple of calendars as being "DML calendars" not just Monster calendars, so to me using photos of non-member bikes dilutes that a bit. But like I said, it's "for us" as a community so if Dennis wants his one submission to be of someone else's bike, but representing him as a member and an artist, I just think that those facts should just be pointed out in the gallery and let the voting decide.

One more thing to add. I think if this happens, it would be better if the owner can at least be identified (I kinda don't dig it when I stumble across a picture of my bike on a complete stranger's webpage without my permission or any information about the bike), and Dennis should start thinking about how the bike will be represented in the little "factoid" (if I can steal a non-word from CNN) that has traditionally accompanied the selected photos.

My .02,
--Fillmore
 

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What I meant by "maximum size", was not how big can be submitted, but how big the image is that was submitted.
 

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Scott,

Are you asking for something other than the statement at the top of the submissions page that says:
" Submittals may be rejected by the calendar team if the quality of the picture is not up to calendar quality; suggested minimum resolution would be 1600x1200 and should have good focus and composition."
 

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Here was my thinking on the "members only" rule.

1. The calendar bikes are a lot like DML bike of the month. They generate ideas and questions that can enrichen the content on the forums and mailing list on a regular basis. If the bike does not belong to a member then you get posts like "That's a cool bike!" or individual to individual e-mails, but it doesn't have as much potential to add to the DML 'community'.

2. I like to think that the calendar is a "by us - for us" kind of thing. By restricting the content to member bikes, the calendar is a better representation of what's going on with the members of the DML. I also think that it can be rewarding to our members to have a photo selected by their peers, or even to just receive positive comments from their submissions and a lot of that could be wasted if the bike doesn't belong to a DML'er.

That said, I can see where Dennis is coming from. He's a member whose work and craft are very high quality, they represent him as a member, and the photos could be a source of high quality content for the calendar.

I've thought of the last couple of calendars as being "DML calendars" not just Monster calendars, so to me using photos of non-member bikes dilutes that a bit. But like I said, it's "for us" as a community so if Dennis wants his one submission to be of someone else's bike, but representing him as a member and an artist, I just think that those facts should just be pointed out in the gallery and let the voting decide.

One more thing to add. I think if this happens, it would be better if the owner can at least be identified (I kinda don't dig it when I stumble across a picture of my bike on a complete stranger's webpage without my permission or any information about the bike), and Dennis should start thinking about how the bike will be represented in the little "factoid" (if I can steal a non-word from CNN) that has traditionally accompanied the selected photos.

My .02,
--Fillmore
So, I'm wondering how to word this? Should we just accept pics of other Monsters, and make one-off exceptions? I've seen Dennis' work, and it's awesome. But I agree, some more information about the bike and it's rider would be nice too. Maybe even turn them into a DML member! ;D
 

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I'm hoping that it just won't be a problem. With the members only submission policy, the qualification date, and the one submission per member rule, I think the vast majority of submission will be the member's own bike.

At this point, it sounds like even Dennis is trying to submit his own bike, so maybe we should just disregard what I just wrote, and keep the members bikes rule.

--Fillmore
 

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True. With the short deadline as well, perhaps it'd be best to just go with what we've got now and keep this in mind for next year's calendar?
 

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That sounds like it's the quick consensus, and that's where my heart lies as well, so let's just keep the member's bikes rule.

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I am a team player. Lets stick to members only. It seems to be what the majority want. Call me a sheep. But I am all for following the crowd. On the other hand, if the submissions are not of a high enough quality, I can send a few images for fill....
 

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Here are the rules:

- The bikes must be DML member rides. One picture per bike, per member.
I posted a photo with about a dozen Monsters in it. Are all of those people now disqualified from submitting another photo of their bike?

Some of the bikes in the photo might not be DML members, does that disqualify the photo?

I just want clarification...
 

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That seems fine to me. That's your submission, they get theirs.

I don't think this whole thing should be about interpreting the letter of each rule, but the spirit of the rules. When I spit those out in three minutes, I was just trying to come up with some guidelines to keep the calendar DML oriented.

That's a cool picture and it obviously goes along with the spirit of the rules.

--Fillmore
 

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Great job guys! Some really great shots coming in.
 
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