That would depend upon the upgrades you have planned, and the cost of them. One of the things you may already be considering is resale value. A heavily upgraded + would still be a +. The SP will carry a somewhat higher resale value for that reason.I've put 4K on my 2022 Monster + and with all the upgrades I'm considering might be a wash to just get the SP.
I think the upgrades are valuable for cornering at speeds significantly lower than 100 mph. The difference going straight and level at 100 mph will likely be minimal. Cornering and handling would be the main reason for changing suspension components. The bike is remarkably stable at high speeds in stock configuration. Upgrades in that condition would likely be unnoticeable.Thoughts from others who have upgraded? Does the change in position/fork angle plus the steering damper make it more planted at speeds over 100mph?
Upgrading pads significantly improves braking of the Plus. It is unlikely that the SP is significantly better at braking but due to the adjustable front suspension, braking can be done more aggressively without bottoming for riders over 180 lbs. Of course, if you weigh between say 165 and 180, the stock suspension settings on the Plus would be indistinguishable from the SP.Are the brakes noticably better?
For everyday enjoyment, it is hard to beat the Monster. I have a '22 with stock suspension and it has amazing grip with those Pirellis. The only reason I plan to upgrade is my weight. I am over 200 lbs. and while riding aggressively, I can "push" the front end a bit more than if I had more adjustability in the forks. I think the fork upgrade is more important than the rear, as the KYB seems adequate. I don't track the bike much but I do love the corners. More gifted riders would appreciate the monoshock upgrade as well, I imagine. I haven't had any problems with the steering and have not even considered a damper. They do look cool but with ABS and traction control...unless I'm doing wheelies regularly probably don't need it. The advantage in the fork upgrade and pads (probably about $1300 for Ohlins and pads), you have a very fun bike in the Plus.I started looking around at different bikes but for all the same reasons find myself looking back at the Monster. There are worse problems to have than trying to figure out where to spend my 2023 fun $$$, either countless upgrades of Monster + or a complete swap for SP.
Ohlins kit is well thought out. They waited until they had it well sorted prior to releasing it. It sure isn't cheap but it is likely going to provide great performance and in my opinion, better handling due to its targeting street use. I looked at some other kits and they also look good. I nearly purchased the Andreani kits but decided to wait for the Ohlins. One of the reasons I waited is that the Ohlins are optimized to consider the Ohlins MonoShock and I may eventually upgrade that as well.Thank you for the feedback, good points. What fork upgrade are you considering? Ohlins cartridges are expensive.
If I were buying now, I’d get the SP. It is worth the difference. To trade? Hard to say but not for me. The suspension is a very worthwhile mod, but even with the SP you will likely need a spring swap. The brakes are nice for weight loss, but the stock brakes are more than sufficient, especially with pads. But I like to play with things…not everyone wants to be that involved.I might add...if you want to see how far a human can take a Plus, have a look at Jaques Mallard's 937 Here: 937 Accessories So far His posts about modifications to his 937 should be a stickie. That guy, while some of his mods require a significant technical ability (or fearlessness)…he has excellent taste, understands the theory behind the performance mods, provides a conversational narrative of his exploits and excellent photos. If you like 937's you will love that thread. And... If you've never heard of 937's and discovered that thread...you would certainly want one after reading his work.
Off topic possibly, would you still rock the Ohlin's kit if you were able to get a hold of the newer shocks that came on the SP or the 2023 models that are adjustable? Debating on the next step and Ohlin's is on my mind but getting a hold of the OEM ones from the SP or 23 has crossed my mind.Ohlins kit is well thought out. They waited until they had it well sorted prior to releasing it. It sure isn't cheap but it is likely going to provide great performance and in my opinion, better handling due to its targeting street use. I looked at some other kits and they also look good. I nearly purchased the Andreani kits but decided to wait for the Ohlins. One of the reasons I waited is that the Ohlins are optimized to consider the Ohlins MonoShock and I may eventually upgrade that as well.
True, I had rotors factored into my initial wishlist and “sp build” as well. I have to admit, this bike already having the full termi system made it make sense in my situation. I understand they have to sell the SP meeting regulations without the mid pipe but not having the option to add it after the fact really left me with a bad taste in my mouth on it after the OTD price I was quoted. Yes, you can add a different aftermarket mid pipe, but none look as clean as theirs imo. Then you have to find a third party tune.Don’t forget the SP has alloy carrier rotors. 1.5lbs of weight on the front wheel right there. The stylemas are sexy but for the money I’d think the rotors make a bigger difference.
Nope.Off topic possibly, would you still rock the Ohlin's kit if you were able to get a hold of the newer shocks that came on the SP or the 2023 models that are adjustable?
where did you get the nitron shock from.Just adding more thoughts..
I had an SP ordered, but after realizing I was about to pay over 18k OTD for it I started having second thoughts. My dealer got in a 22 plus with the clear clutch and full termi exhaust on trade and I went for it instead, figuring I’d make my own better version of the SP for cheaper. (SP damper being non adjustable, not the full termi system anyway with no option to buy their midpipe stand-alone)
So far the big things I’ve done..
-Ohlins NIX 30 cartridge kit for less than $900 shipped plus springs for my weight for $120
-Adjustable shock from Nitron for $750 shipped with spring for my weight
-Performance pads for the stock brake calipers and quality fluid
Plan on adding the adjustable Ohlins damper, Stylema calipers, rcs master cylinders, and lithium battery to complete “my SP”, but I’m honestly perfectly happy with the bike as it sits. It doesn’t have the gold tubes, no, but they weren’t weren’t worth $18k to me. And if I do end up doing the calipers and all that I’ll still be well under $18k..
Got it from Andreani USA but looks like you can order one from Motowheels alsowhere did you get the nitron shock from.
