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First map (winter time) - excelent power output on dyno, flat torque curve from 3 to 10k rpm.
(spring, first ride) - check engine issues on Urban mode (torque sensor error)

Then came lots of playing ping-pong and test drives with different settings and maps (incl. stock) to proove that it is not hardware issue of the bike.

Second map - based on 1200 not 1200S this time, issue fixed, but... undrivable. Horrible power delivery (delay and sudden surge of power at certain throttle amount)

Third map - Good power delivery, bike stalls when clutched more then it did stock (yes, mine does that, no with previous maps it did not)

Fourth map - stalls less, undriveable power delivery again, back to non linear torque.

Fifth map - stalls less (but still does), good delivery, non linear torque.

It turned out that it simply makes even more torque at 6-7 k rpm then in first map, peak power remained the same. Every new map took a week or two to prepare, all involved were getting a little tired so accepted the fith result - It is pretty close to what I wanted. A little bit less stalling and a little bit less torque (flat curve) would be spot on perfect. It is still a lot more fun then stock now. Would love to compare to 1200R, i'd guess mine has more go (especially 2017+ R).

Oh - and the drive modes started to make sense :)

2) there were a lots of stock ducatis tested on that dyno, including mine. Knowing the factory output and RWHP of them all - it was simple maths. Cross checked with those other ducatis and the difference was around 1% - so for me it was acceptable. 20PS I mentioned is the pessimistic version.
 

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@K-Gr.
About multiple map attempts:
Didn't Rexxer know about your model, year, flash specifications such as:

-exhaust silencer
-air filter type
-Closed loop (O2) disabled or not
-Exhaust valve disabled or not
-DB baffles removed or not

Did you have to send your ECU to Rexxer each time?
 

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It was all done by a local, authorised Rexxer representative, not by me directly. They did all the measurments (like AFR) and all the data you mentioned were provided.
Keep in mind, issues I had were not "poor fueling" or something - i think it was a more general problem with software. It is difficult to describe what i meant with horrible power delivery, not smoething you can get by ruining intake and exhaust... the fueling was fine, just the throttle had an annoying, uneven lag to it (present only when half-opened the throttle in mid range).

And no, only the first time the ECU had to be shipped to Germany. I doubt it is a rule though... Rexxer wasn't eager to let them flash my bike locally.
 

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On June 1rst, I had the ECU removed and promptly sent it to Rexxer, Virginia for a flash.
It was received at US customs in NYC where it was held for nearly one month. :mad:
Rexxer's two day turnaround time was respected where it was shipped back to Canada. :smile
However, Canadian custom held it for another two weeks. :mad:

The soap opera finally ended which i'm pleased to report.
All is well and the ECU performs flawlessly. Exhaust valve is disabled and so are the Lambda sensors. It's operating strictly in open loop.
The word "RACING" appears when the ignition boots up. Couldn't be more pleased with Rexxer. Awesome job. :grin

For Canadians :
Consider crossing the border with your ECU and ship it from withing the US.
Also consider having it shipped back to a US border town and bring it back yourself.
Show Canada customs your paperwork and all will be fine. This will save you the aggravation and delays I had to endure.
 

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Anyone running a slip on with or without a tune may want to immediately bypass the exhaust flap...frankly I think everyone may need to but I can't say for sure ...if your having any problems I would love to see a picture of your valves...but aside from that my starting problems went away immediately after disconnecting the exhaust flap whilst using a slip on and installing the upMap had zero improvement starting hot or cold until the flap was unhooked...the carbon buildup i experienced was under completely stock circumstances...adding a slip on amplified the problem at an alarming rate...I'm only posting this as cautionary tale ...did it before thinking it was octane related ..it may still be...the 1200 may be immune to my level of issues but sincerely I just think I got here first...and twice @ 52k miles...either way if your experiencing starting issues try disconnecting the flap...if your feeling adventurous snap a pic of the valves next service
 

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Anyone running a slip on with or without a tune may want to immediately bypass the exhaust flap...frankly I think everyone may need to but I can't say for sure ...if your having any problems I would love to see a picture of your valves...but aside from that my starting problems went away immediately after disconnecting the exhaust flap whilst using a slip on and installing the upMap had zero improvement starting hot or cold until the flap was unhooked...the carbon buildup i experienced was under completely stock circumstances...adding a slip on amplified the problem at an alarming rate...I'm only posting this as cautionary tale ...did it before thinking it was octane related ..it may still be...the 1200 may be immune to my level of issues but sincerely I just think I got here first...and twice @ 52k miles...either way if your experiencing starting issues try disconnecting the flap...if your feeling adventurous snap a pic of the valves next service
Difficulty starting is a symptom of a lean running engine exacerbated by adding a slip-on without adjusting the AFR.
For example, the exhaust valve servo was removed in my Panigale 959. However, it then experienced lean surging in the rpm range when the exhaust valve was originally closing to pass sound regulations. All this with a stock exhaust with the stock fuel map set-up. That was since corrected with a Rapidbike fuel controller.
 

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I have a '16 M1200R. Had the Termi cans dealer installed @ delivery. 1200R already has the 58mm head pipes. I purchased the 1200R RAPiD BIKE tuner from Guido @ SHiFT-TECH. It transformed the the performance from already great, to Herculean.
 

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Yes, Guido is very professional. I purchased a Lithium and close to $1000 of carbon bits from him over the last couple of years.
Quality stuff. RapidBike units are awesome but why? Didn't you have an UpMap key with your Termi?

Ps. You may want to remove your exhaust valve as I don't think the RB unit prevents it from closing.
 

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I wish $1000 was all I spent on carbon fiber. Yes, Guido is great to deal with. I also put a K&N high flow filter in place of the stock one. The Termi cans do come with an ECU upgrade, but doesn't do what the RB does. The exhaust valve rarely moves in the box of spare parts where it lives now.
 

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Hey guys, picked up a '16 1200R recently and want to upgrade the exhaust. I am leaning towards a Arrow Race Tech slip-on, it seems SC Project doesn't make the Conic exhaust anymore. I don't want to have to add a Rapid Bike or flash my ECU, so my options are limited.

I see a lot of guys are disabling/removing the exhaust valve. Do I need fabricate a cap or anything to seal off that area? Or do I just unhook the cable?

I understand I do NOT need a servo eliminator module, is that correct? Assuming I disconnect a remove the whole system... It won't throw any error codes?
 

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Congrats. You'll love this bike. The SC-P Conic was homologated but Euro 3 thus discontinued. In my opinion, they should keep offering the product but without the homologation certificate. BTW, any cat-less product you choose will most likely require a Rapid Bike or ECU flash to work right.

Although my exhaust valve was disabled by the ECU flash, I still removed it by filing the two screws with a dremel and drilling it out. You don't have to disconnect the cable which could throw a code.
 

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Congrats. You'll love this bike. The SC-P Conic was homologated but Euro 3 thus discontinued. In my opinion, they should keep offering the product but without the homologation certificate. BTW, any cat-less product you choose will most likely require a Rapid Bike or ECU flash to work right.

Although my exhaust valve was disabled by the ECU flash, I still removed it by filing the two screws with a dremel and drilling it out. You don't have to disconnect the cable which could throw a code.
Thanks for the reply.

I found a place that will sell the Termignoni UpMap module by itself. Seems like this would be the easiest way to get improved performance from an aftermarket exhaust. It is $370 compared to $525 for the Rapid Bike, which offers a lot more functionality, but it could be a better alternative to an ECU flash.

Anyone have any experience with Moto Wheels?
 

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Ok, found some more info. You can buy it direct from UpMap (I assume a Termi subsidiary?). With purchase you get 1 free map, and you can select from a list of maps (full system, slip-on, etc.). If you want to change the map in the future it looks like additional maps are 99 euros.

I only see maps for the 17-18 1200/S, nothing specific to the R.
 

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Ok, found some more info. You can buy it direct from UpMap (I assume a Termi subsidiary?). With purchase you get 1 free map, and you can select from a list of maps (full system, slip-on, etc.). If you want to change the map in the future it looks like additional maps are 99 euros.

I only see maps for the 17-18 1200/S, nothing specific to the R.
Ok. These flashes are probably fine but you can't fine tune it with a tuner on a dyno.
For this reason, I prefer Rapdbike although it may cost more. Moreover, the Rapidbike unit has auto-adaptability.
 

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I am considering getting a Rapidbike unit for my monster. That being said, I have a couple questions. Can I still disable my flapper valve like you can with the Rexxer? The rapidbike unit works along with your o2 sensor. Once again, with a Rexxer remap, I believe you can disable the o2 sensor. Do I need to do this? I have not ever addressed either item on any of my bikes so I have no experience with it. Thanks.


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The Rapidbike unit will not disable the exhaust flap. However, you can just drill it out (I did) or get a inexpensive Duc-ee dongle from Viz-Tec or similar that will disable the servo. Seems you can disable the 02. It would certainly disable the Auto-Adaptability feature if you did.
Rapidbike Manual attached.
 

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Does doing a remap such as a Rapid Bike or sending it to rexxer help with the on/off throttle response? My wife's 696 had a similar issue that was fixed by running the Termi up map which is what made me ask.
 

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Does doing a remap such as a Rapid Bike or sending it to rexxer help with the on/off throttle response? My wife's 696 had a similar issue that was fixed by running the Termi up map which is what made me ask.
IDK how to respond to that as I find the liquid cooled Ducati throttle response very linear even as stock.
A Rapibike or a Rexxer flash will just improve any deficiency in the stock map ( lean for emission) or on account of a new exhaust.
 
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