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I managed to get the shift side done relatively easily, but the brake side is giving me fits. The kit relocates the rear master cylinder from behind (well, in) the rearset to a bracket above the pegs, and I'm having trouble getting the brake line and sensor cabling to stretch.

Anybody with any experience installing this kit?
 

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You'll be calling Galfer or someone else for a longer line. I found out the same way you did. Called Galfer on the phone and I had it in two days. The left or shifting side on my CNC set would not fit as delivered. I was able to make a spacer and machined a pocket near where the passenger set attaches so it would clear the upper chain slider on the swing arm. I think CNC translates to English as "Can Not Connect" or perhaps "Comes Nearly Complete" . You will need to take the rear caliper off to bleed it properly. A good time to do any needed brake work, so order those bits as well if needed.
 

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You'll be calling Galfer or someone else for a longer line. I found out the same way you did. Called Galfer on the phone and I had it in two days. The left or shifting side on my CNC set would not fit as delivered. I was able to make a spacer and machined a pocket near where the passenger set attaches so it would clear the upper chain slider on the swing arm. I think CNC translates to English as "Can Not Connect" or perhaps "Comes Nearly Complete" . You will need to take the rear caliper off to bleed it properly. A good time to do any needed brake work, so order those bits as well if needed.
I ended up ordering this extended rear brake line, so we'll see if that works. I was hoping I could avoid removing the brake line or doing any bleeding, but it looks like that's out the window now.

In addition to the brake cylinder issue, the metal spacer / standoff for the brake side is too long so I can't properly mount the rearset. I'm going to try to shave down the spacer they provided, but I'm not sure I have the tools to do that properly to attain the flat face that I need.

Also, weird design decision to have these only use two of the mounting points as opposed to three. Really can't wrap my head around that one.
 

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Update!

Sent a request out to CNC Racing and, to their credit, they got back to me super quickly. We'll see what comes of that.

In the time between sending the request and receiving a response, I hacked things together as best I could.

1) The lower bolt standoff / spacer was too long, so I had to saw it down to about 1.4" to get both the top and bottom mounting points secured. After taking some more pics, I'm now noticing that it's STILL not trimmed down enough - great.

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2) I removed the cable routing plastic piece on the underside of the rear swingarm and re-routed the hydraulic lines (while attached to the master cylinder) through the opening in the swingarm - this freed up the necessary slack to mount the master cylinder to the heel guard pegs on the rearset.

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3) I rotated the banjo fitting slightly to clear the swingarm attachment point at the block, and relocated the brake fluid reservoir up and away from the master cylinder's new position using an ugly, ugly bracket I hacked together with a Dremel, a beer, and some bad words.

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4) Detail of where the reservoir originally was. I have no idea how they thought this would ever work - there was zero chance the reservoir would fit there with the master cylinder relocated right next to it.

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I have one more issue, albeit a minor one: the brake lever (the black rubber bit - the actuator - not the footrest) is adjusted as low as it will go, and it's uneven with the clutch side:

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This seems to be limited by the rear master cylinder control rod / push rod - I have the push rod backed up as far as it will go, and the brake light sensor screw tensioned as far as it can go while still leaving some play in the actuation, and that's as low as it'll sit. Now I know that's nitpicky, but it's an annoyance nonetheless.

Honestly, it's crazy to me how poorly all of this goes together out of the box. The shift side wasn't bad at all, but the brake side is a nightmare! This kit was supposedly designed specifically for these bikes, but for the life of me I can't fathom how anybody got any of this to fit without rerouting brake lines, relocating the reservoir, and a whole slew of other tweaks.

The rearsets are beautiful, for sure, but if you happen to be considering them, you'd better be handy. You're gonna want a lathe, or access to some kind of CNC rig or something similar to fabricate the pieces missing to make all of this go together.

I'll update once I hear back from CNC Racing. Here's hoping they've got something that can help me out, because the way I have it hacked together now is ugly.
 

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Let's try to not shoot the messenger here, ok? There's a lot of info out there that most any any rearset change on this particular bike will need a longer brake line. I think Woodcraft may even include it in their kit. Mine went together and the reservoir never moved. Putting the line where you have it will make this bikes propensity to overheat the fluid in this circuit due to it's proximity to the exhaust worse. That's a lot of the reason it's in the loom you took off. The swing arm moves there too and that stuff will probably rub somewhere. I doubt you'll get the help you need from CNC, another more or less established fact.

You hacked it and it yours now. They'd have probably taken it back otherwise. I feel badly for you, I hope CNC hooks you up and takes it back. If you only hacked the one black spacer, I may have kept the extra that was with what I received. If all the other parts are clean and that makes it complete again, they may refund you.
 

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Let's try to not shoot the messenger here, ok? There's a lot of info out there that most any any rearset change on this particular bike will need a longer brake line. I think Woodcraft may even include it in their kit. Mine went together and the reservoir never moved. Putting the line where you have it will make this bikes propensity to overheat the fluid in this circuit due to it's proximity to the exhaust worse. That's a lot of the reason it's in the loom you took off. The swing arm moves there too and that stuff will probably rub somewhere. I doubt you'll get the help you need from CNC, another more or less established fact.

You hacked it and it yours now. They'd have probably taken it back otherwise. I feel badly for you, I hope CNC hooks you up and takes it back. If you only hacked the one black spacer, I may have kept the extra that was with what I received. If all the other parts are clean and that makes it complete again, they may refund you.
Definitely no intention of shooting the messenger! Not sure if that was in response to my previous replies (which were more cataloguing what's been going on than anything) or the rest of your comment.

The only thing I modified was the standoff/spacer, which was the wrong size anyway. There were two provided spacers, one of which was the correct size for the shift side, and one that was in the incorrect size for the brake side. That being said, I have no intention of returning the kit - I'll make it work one way or another, whether or not they help.

I don't doubt there's information on rearset changes somewhere, but I searched this forum (and 4-5 others) and found very little. Certainly nothing on this particular rearset from CNC Racing. Nothing in their documentation said anything about needing a longer brake line, so I didn't purchase one. Now I have and I'm just waiting for it to come in. The bike isn't being ridden in the meantime, it's just sitting in the garage - no chance I'd risk running the bike with the line routed that way, I just wanted to see how everything went together and that was the only way to get it to work without popping the line off entirely.

CNC has been responsive and is looking over the photos and information I sent. No meaningful reply yet, but they're... listening, I guess...?

My hope is that they've got some parts to provide that will help things fit together the way they're supposed to. It looks beautiful on the bike, but like I said, it just doesn't fit the way it's supposed to. There's zero chance this kit would've fit on my bike (which it was explicitly designed for) with the parts they provided: wrong spacer, reservoir had to move, brake line too short. If they'd have provided the correct spacer, a relocation bracket for the reservoir, and advised that the purchase of an extended line was necessary, we'd be golden!

Edit: I suppose the reservoir had to move because the brake line was too short - if I'd known I needed an extended line, the routing would've stayed the same, in which case I likely wouldn't have needed to move the reservoir. So then the only real issue here is the spacer and the lack of advisement on the brake line length.

Edit edit: I lied, the reservoir did indeed need to be moved. In its original position, it hits the master cylinder and sits too low to feed the master cylinder (the tubing would have to run up to the nipple on the master cylinder).
 

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I looked and I do have that extra spacer if it'll help you. My kit had two longer and one shorter one. Both of the two I used, one short and one long, had to be adjusted for length in the lathe. Another spacer to go in the gap in your pic had to be made up entirely new as well as the pocket that had to machined to clear the upper chain slider..Comes Not Complete Racing....

I hope they hook you up, like i said before. Read the paper though, I'm sure it says something like "Must be installed by a Qualified Specialist" and your definition of "Qualified Specialist" may differ from theirs. Also, "not highway compliant, closed course only". In racing, sometimes made to fit actually means, can be made to fit by a... Qualified Specialist. They are covered and if they come through, which is entirely possible, it'll be because they want to not because they have to. It was waaaay faster and easier for me to make the parts they screwed up and move on unagravated. PS, I have the same pipe as you and if you bought the super spendy bolt on passenger pegs so what's her name can come too?...yeah, that don't fit either. May actually work if you leave the brake side spaced way out like that though. They shipped mine with an all black rearset and they pegs and hinges on the super spendy passenger set are bright silver, so ugly it hurts my eyes, idiots. Ugly enough I'll never even try to put them on. Bike rides best solo anyway....
 

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I looked and I do have that extra spacer if it'll help you. My kit had two longer and one shorter one. Both of the two I used, one short and one long, had to be adjusted for length in the lathe. Another spacer to go in the gap in your pic had to be made up entirely new as well as the pocket that had to machined to clear the upper chain slider..Comes Not Complete Racing....

I hope they hook you up, like i said before. Read the paper though, I'm sure it says something like "Must be installed by a Qualified Specialist" and your definition of "Qualified Specialist" may differ from theirs. Also, "not highway compliant, closed course only". In racing, sometimes made to fit actually means, can be made to fit by a... Qualified Specialist. They are covered and if they come through, which is entirely possible, it'll be because they want to not because they have to. It was waaaay faster and easier for me to make the parts they screwed up and move on unagravated. PS, I have the same pipe as you and if you bought the super spendy bolt on passenger pegs so what's her name can come too?...yeah, that don't fit either. May actually work if you leave the brake side spaced way out like that though. They shipped mine with an all black rearset and they pegs and hinges on the super spendy passenger set are bright silver, so ugly it hurts my eyes, idiots. Ugly enough I'll never even try to put them on. Bike rides best solo anyway....
See, a lathe is exactly what I need! Unfortunately, I'm stuck with a Dremel cutoff wheel and an unsteady hand 😂. If they won't provide me with the correct spacer on their own accord, I may take you up on that offer - thank you!

Their schematic does indeed read "The mounting of the product it must be realized from staff specialist.", which is a fine idea, but let's be real: 90% of the people buying aftermarket parts for their bikes are doing the installation themselves - that's just a legalese CYA so they can deny warranty claims and fitment issues if it wasn't installed by whatever their definition of a "staff specialist" is (which in the US appears to be the one BellisiMoto location or bust). All they had to do was include a line in the schematic that read "A longer brake line will be required for installation." and included a relocation bracket for the reservoir (I assume the spacer issue was just a case of the wrong part being included) and everything would be perfect. Oh well.

Beautiful looking products, but "Comes Not Complete" Racing certainly seems to ring true.
 

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I'm going to guess...just a guess....Look at the main fixing point. It screws into the axle for the swingarm and the other goes into the engine. All those swingarm and engine parts when assembled may not present surfaces that are the same distance apart bike to bike or side to side on the bike. That OEM monstrosity had big squishy bushings in the holes, squishy bushings can make up a little here and there easily. That or something happened at CNC that quality assurance missed. It's curious though, my kit came with all the parts shrink wrapped down to logo printed cardboard pasted all over with CNC QA Inspected decals. Those things...the logos and the "Inspected For Quality" decals o plenty...they were perfect...Perfect packaging, the parts inside the packaging not so much.
 
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