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While cruising up I-75 towards Tampa yeaterday, Two of my buddies and came over a rise and were escorted off of the road by a very nice Highway Patrolman on a Harley :mad:. He informed us that (even though we were being passed_ we were traveling 87 in a 70 :-[. Really nice guy. told us he wouldn;t have normally bothered with us because we weren't doing any thing "stupid [smiley=cheeky.gif]", but his sargent was in the plane overhead that spotted us, and he had to write us tickets. Being a pilot myself, I check with a friend of mine in the tower at SRQ and was told that the HP plane was flying at 4000ft. my question is how do you assertain speed from that height, while flying in a Cesna? And how well does that hold up in court? It's a $155 ticket, or I can take the "traffic school" amd the wil reduce the ticket and supposedly drop the points from my license with no insurance penalty. Anyone in Florida get busted and use that option? I checked with my agent, and she told me that regardless of points, if the offense shows up, I will be charged with it on my insurance. Please help, I can take an online school and pay the reduced ticket for about $165, but if I'll still get charged on my insurance, why waste the extra money.
 

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In my experience in Arizona and Texas, if you take the defensive driving course the ticket will not show on your record at all so the insurance companies will not know about it.

Nothing should show until it is 'resolved'. Either you plead guilty by paying, you get it reversed or found guilty in court or it is dropped due to the driving course.
 

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Ever notice the White hash marks on the freeway that run perpendicular to it? They have these set at a known spacing and time drivers between them. Once you know how long it takes someone to drive between these marks and you know how far apart the marks are, you can then determine the speed.
 
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In court to prove everything they need the pilot the spotter and the cop on the ground in court on the same day. That is from an IL State Patrolmans mouth.. but as I learn moving around each state is different.

Not to steal your thread but say you are out riding with some others you just met. Only exchanged first names. You cruise to the outskirts of town and hit a barren stretch of 4 lane with two HIGH speed sweepers. You round the corner and jump on the throttle say get to 145-150 then when you round the last sweeper approaching a three way stop sign you look in your mirror to see the guy behind you. As you stop you see blue lights quickly approaching behind the last guy. He pulls to the side about 1000ft before the intersection and the cop stops behind him. I don't hesitate I have made my complete stop and proceed at a more reasonable speed. Of course I take side streets for the next 20 minutes. The second guy hesitated at the stop sign. What would you guys have done. Did I mention it was at 10:00 PM on an unlighted street? Just curious.
 

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you are kinda hosed being timed by an aircraft. Not really any calibration issues. Maybe there were other bikes that could have been mistaken for you?
That blows. Maybe the cop in the a/c dropped his donut and bumped the watch to soon when he bent over to pick it up...
 

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I don't know about Florida, but here in California, I'm pretty sure that they can't actually cite you for speeding if your speed was solely determined by aircraft. The aircraft patrol is merely allowed to function as a tool to determine that you are in fact speeding - at that point, an officer on the ground must verify your speed by radar/laser/pacing. This probably won't help you much, because if I had to bet, the motorcycle cop got your speed too.
 

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When I crested the hill (or mountain if you're from Florida ;)), the motorcycle cop was already in the road going about 50mph blocking us and waving for us to pull over, there was no way that we were clocked on the ground. He told us that his Sargent in the aircraft had clocked us going 87mph. I took him 38 minutes to write us 3 tickets and give us each the lecture individually, in that time the SIX remaining officers on the hill each wrote 3 tickets. I'm no mathmatician, but thats 21 tickets in 38 minutes, that's one ticket every 1:48, at 155 a pop that's $5166/hr. And the State is in a deficit.
 

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When I crested the hill (or mountain if you're from Florida ;)), the motorcycle cop was already in the road going about 50mph blocking us and waving for us to pull over, there was no way that we were clocked on the ground. He told us that his Sargent in the aircraft had clocked us going 87mph. I took him 38 minutes to write us 3 tickets and give us each the lecture individually, in that time the SIX remaining officers on the hill each wrote 3 tickets. I'm no mathmatician, but thats 21 tickets in 38 minutes, that's one ticket every 1:48, at 155 a pop that's $5166/hr. And the State is in a deficit.
They keep going at that rate and they won't be for long!!! ::)
 

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...there was no way that we were clocked on the ground...
In that case, I would check Florida's Vehicle Code. In CA, we have an "anti-speedtrap" law on the books, which is basically what I described above. I could give you the CA code numbers, but I don't think they'd be much use to you. Good luck!
 

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@ 4000 feet it would be close to impossible to identify a vehicle. The tallest buildings in the world are only in the 1000 foot range. Was the plane really at 4000 feet?

Get some good binoculars and look at a bike from 4000 feet, between the haze and the distance you could not tell a harley from a vespa.
 

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In court to prove everything they need the pilot the spotter and the cop on the ground in court on the same day. That is from an IL State Patrolmans mouth.. but as I learn moving around each state is different.

Not to steal your thread but say you are out riding with some others you just met. Only exchanged first names. You cruise to the outskirts of town and hit a barren stretch of 4 lane with two HIGH speed sweepers. You round the corner and jump on the throttle say get to 145-150 then when you round the last sweeper approaching a three way stop sign you look in your mirror to see the guy behind you. As you stop you see blue lights quickly approaching behind the last guy. He pulls to the side about 1000ft before the intersection and the cop stops behind him. I don't hesitate I have made my complete stop and proceed at a more reasonable speed. Of course I take side streets for the next 20 minutes. The second guy hesitated at the stop sign. What would you guys have done. Did I mention it was at 10:00 PM on an unlighted street? Just curious.
I'd've kept going. >:D
 

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I'd've kept going. >:D
Good call

(by the way, how did you find this thread? PM so we don' threadjack)
 

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Seems we have a member who's over zealous on the search feature. [laugh]
 

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Seems we have a member who's over zealous on the search feature. [laugh]
DON'T USE THE SEARCH BUTTON n00b!!!111one!1211!

haha but seriously what is with all the people bringing back way old and dead threads today... I'm willing to bet they were "searching" for the b00b threads.. just my opinion ;)
 
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