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does this happen in all gears or just in first?

I'm on a 796 and had the same issue in first, in the city at an intersection or an extremely tight turn.
the 14t sprocket solved it completely.... and I didn't lose any useable top end speed
 

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Ive always had to ease the clutch out in 1st on Ducs. Can ride without doing it just feels smother to do so esp very low speed turns (90 degree from stop type stuff).
 

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I've noticed it only on the 1st gear on low speed turns. I'm coming from an S1000RR so maybe I still have to get used to the v-twin. It's better on the Sport mode but I can still feel a boggynes on turns.
 

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They're Ducs, they're how they ride/behave. they're V2 after all...

Learn how to ride them properly and stop expecting every single thing on this planet to behave exactly the same, if you wanted "smooth" there's always I4's and 3Cyl bikes...

The 14T is not a panacea.

Ducs = clutch feathering on 1st gear, it is what it is, get used to it ;)
 

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And if you can't get over it, please consider a change to the rear sprocket instead. Going 1 smaller on the front will alleviate your problem, but it is the cheap and nasty way to do it.

The ratio is about 3:1 front rear to front, so a 3 tooth change at the rear gives you the same result, but without the extra stress put on the gear shaft and the chain. Sure, costs more.........

Never buy a bike from someone who has gone the cheap route. Smacks of what else they have skimped on.
 

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Hey Rosso thanks for your brilliant insight. I guess I have to work on NOT expecting EVERY single thing on this planet to be the same because obviously you deduced that from my single post about the sprocket. My post was about my observations and how to solve my perceived issues. The lazyness on slow speed turns is a known issue on monsters judging from many forum posts online.
 

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I setup my entry speed and in a turn on steady on the gas. I don't feel the jerkiness you feel and I ride in sport mode. If I'm t going that slow and I know the bike is going to jerk, I slip the clutch. Most of the time I'm riding in a higher rpm anyway.


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I've noticed it only on the 1st gear on low speed turns. I'm coming from an S1000RR so maybe I still have to get used to the v-twin. It's better on the Sport mode but I can still feel a boggynes on turns.
I'm with you on this. Feel sorry for my clutch where I live. Lots of 15 - 25 kph switchbacks going up and down the mountains. Lots of 1st and 2nd gear work with the fans going by the time I'm at the top.

Considering going 2 teeth bigger on the rear myself.

I also have a BMW twin cylinder that doesn't have this bogging down thing. (same cc, 20% less HP, a lot heavier, just more appropriate gearing down low)
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Hey Rosso thanks for your brilliant insight. I guess I have to work on NOT expecting EVERY single thing on this planet to be the same because obviously you deduced that from my single post about the sprocket. My post was about my observations and how to solve my perceived issues. The lazyness on slow speed turns is a known issue on monsters judging from many forum posts online.

Audioguy, my insight comes from from post no.54648994685648987654564564698 about installing a 14T sprocket on a Duc because they lug at low RPM...
You know, something which you could have actually found out if you took the time to read the 54648994685648987654564564698 posts in here about the same exact (non-existant) issue...

Every time it goes like this : new guy with shiny new toy (Duc) enters the forum and "it bogs down low, imma install a 14T 'cause i want smooth"...
It's been discussed ad nauseam in here, in the other monster forum, over at ducati.ms and...you get my drift (hopefully)...

This is why i said my good man try to learn how to ride the bike how it wants to be ridden - especially when coming from an I4 motor...

"But the forums are a place to ask things and exchange opinions" you'll say, sure, thing is, we should always know what we're buying, i mean, is this your first L-twin ? Did you actually took the bike for a test-ride before spending 15/18K on it ? If you did, didn't you notice at the time that it vibrates/chugs at low RPM ? Again, this is a 2 cylinder motor, it's supposed to be like that ;)

Even if you install a 14T...it's still going to lug at low RPM, yes, the effect is not going to be as pronounced but trust me, it's still going to be lumpy, you're still have to learn to keep your fingers over the clutch all the time when in 1st gear.

Sometimes, it's actually nice learning new things and how they operate (differently) between one another - had some "expert" buddies riding my bike and...they stalled it 3 times before taking off, why ? Because their Z750, S.triple and CBF600 behave differently, yes, they're smoother than my Duc, yes, they're different...
Different gearing, different motor, different habits learned/acquired depending on the type of bike.
Learn the proper RPM to gear ratio, keep feathering that clutch and you'll be good to go.

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I'm with you on this. Feel sorry for my clutch where I live. Lots of 15 - 25 kph switchbacks going up and down the mountains. Lots of 1st and 2nd gear work with the fans going by the time I'm at the top.



Considering going 2 teeth bigger on the rear myself.



I also have a BMW twin cylinder that doesn't have this bogging down thing. (same cc, 20% less HP, a lot heavier, just more appropriate gearing down low)

:)

Horizontal twins are smoother by nature and, as you mentioned, your gearing is likely more appropriate.


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Horizontal twins are smoother by nature and, as you mentioned, your gearing is likely more appropriate.


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Got it in one. "your gearing is more appropriate."

Funnily enough, this is the 1st time I have seen this mentioned on this Monster forum and I don't tend to read about stuff I don't own, so missed the apparently multiple posts about other Ducati models they got it wrong on.

Funnily enough, my '05 Ducati ST4S didn't exhibit this characteristic. Maybe Ducati got it more appropriate on that one.

I also have a number of friends with large capacity V Twins that don't seem to need to ride the clutch on at low speed. And you could hardly call those engines smooth.

But at the end of the day, I do like this bike enough to put up with the Italian in it :)
 

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I never had that lumpy throttle response when I had my Honda RC51, and that's a V-Twin. So for someone to tell me that I need to learn how to ride a v-twin is ignorant. Learning a bike's quirks and behavior is part of learning to use ANY motorcycle. And aren't we on this forum to get the best out of our bikes? My question on this thread is if anyone has done this to their 1200s and what brand of sprocket they used. The mod is simple enough that you can put the stock sprocket back if no benefit is gained.
 

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Any major brand like driven or AFAM would be fine. I wouldn't change any gearing until a speedo healer come out. It change be that bad. What mode are you riding in?


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Thanks imstuner, I usually ride on Sport as it has the best response. I do enjoy the bike very much. I can live with the current gearing, but I'm curious of anyone has done it in their 1200.
 

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Audioguy, my insight comes from from post no.54648994685648987654564564698 about installing a 14T sprocket on a Duc because they lug at low RPM...
You know, something which you could have actually found out if you took the time to read the 54648994685648987654564564698 posts in here about the same exact (non-existant) issue...

Every time it goes like this : new guy with shiny new toy (Duc) enters the forum and "it bogs down low, imma install a 14T 'cause i want smooth"...
It's been discussed ad nauseam in here, in the other monster forum, over at ducati.ms and...you get my drift (hopefully)...

This is why i said my good man try to learn how to ride the bike how it wants to be ridden - especially when coming from an I4 motor...

"But the forums are a place to ask things and exchange opinions" you'll say, sure, thing is, we should always know what we're buying, i mean, is this your first L-twin ? Did you actually took the bike for a test-ride before spending 15/18K on it ? If you did, didn't you notice at the time that it vibrates/chugs at low RPM ? Again, this is a 2 cylinder motor, it's supposed to be like that ;)

Even if you install a 14T...it's still going to lug at low RPM, yes, the effect is not going to be as pronounced but trust me, it's still going to be lumpy, you're still have to learn to keep your fingers over the clutch all the time when in 1st gear.

Sometimes, it's actually nice learning new things and how they operate (differently) between one another - had some "expert" buddies riding my bike and...they stalled it 3 times before taking off, why ? Because their Z750, S.triple and CBF600 behave differently, yes, they're smoother than my Duc, yes, they're different...
Different gearing, different motor, different habits learned/acquired depending on the type of bike.
Learn the proper RPM to gear ratio, keep feathering that clutch and you'll be good to go.

Hope you found this response to your liking
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Audioguy, go play with this,

http://www.gearingcommander.com/

The Diavel has the same gearing except our Monsters have a 41 rear, not the 43 of the Diavel. Obviously the rear tire is a 190/55 instead of the 240/45 and the chain is probably a little shorter but it should give you some ideas about gearing. (also don't forget to change the redline to 10,800...a weird quirk the gearing commander dude has). Multistrada also uses the same gearbox but with 15/40 gearing.

Anyways, I don't think my Monster needs to be geared to 182MPH. Testastretta's I've ridden enough to get a good gauge:

Multistrada: 15/40
Diavel: 15/43
Diavel: 14/43
Monster 1200S: 15/41

Of those, I enjoyed the 15/43 on the Diavel the best and will eventually change the Monster to match. I ride some pretty regular routes and the 15/43 with that motor and gearbox felt the best to me. I spent less time feeling like I was between gears in traffic and didn't have to go supersonic to have a need for sixth. ;)

That being said, to finish the thought, the 14/43 was grand fun in the slower stuff but I found it a bit too buzzy for highway work.

Hope that is helpful instead of just demeaning, nothing wrong with wanting your cogs closer. :)
 
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