effect of clipons ?
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·I have Cycle Cats and I am not sure if they are wider, I replaced a pair of Pro Flo clip on's. By putting on Clip on's you get more weight over the front end giving you a bit more quicker steering. Also depending on how you put them on ie on top or under the triple clamp will also make a difference in steering. If you choose to put them above you will have to lower the front to be able to attach the clamps to the forks and that will change your head angle giving quicker steering. The Cycle Cats are great because you can attach above or below the clamps plus you can change the angle of the bars to keep your wrists from aching. I love my clip on's but you do loose some comfort level.
Does make the steering quicker, though I didn't need to lower the front. I think most older monster had the right amount of fork tube showing through the upper triple for instant mounting.
Don't know about width. It's hard to say with the range of mounting/dialing in options clipons have. I cut about an inch off each side of my Redline bars to make them even more narrow.
As for comfort, I'm 6'2" and I find the bike to be FAR more comfy with clipons than standard bars.
Dion
Don't know about width. It's hard to say with the range of mounting/dialing in options clipons have. I cut about an inch off each side of my Redline bars to make them even more narrow.
As for comfort, I'm 6'2" and I find the bike to be FAR more comfy with clipons than standard bars.
Dion
in the most general terms, adding clip-ons will make you feel more like you are IN the bike, v.s. ON the bike. With more weight over the front weel you get a better sense of what is going on at the front, giving more confidence.
BUt like anything, it's kind of whatever you feel more comfortable with.
BUt like anything, it's kind of whatever you feel more comfortable with.
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I'm curious about this, as well. So, most seem to agree that the bike steers quicker- I like that. For those of you who have mentioned comfort- can you please elaborate?
I'm 5'10" and the riding posture with the stock bars is fine for my back but a little hard on my wrists. I like the idea of being IN my bike rather than ON it, but would more weight forward just put more pressure on my wrists?
I'm 5'10" and the riding posture with the stock bars is fine for my back but a little hard on my wrists. I like the idea of being IN my bike rather than ON it, but would more weight forward just put more pressure on my wrists?
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I installed the "road racing" brand clip ons to my M900 when I had one.(currently buying S4R). I think that it was the best mod that I did to the bike. I didnt notice that the bike stered any quicker (to make any bike ster quicker, drop the forks through the triple clamps).I did notice a great improvement in the handling of the bike. It places more weight over the front wheel and puts you in a position that is a little more areo dynamic. I rode my bike on a 2500km trip & did not find the bike too bad.you are no where near lent forward as the super bike, mabye close to the SS riding position. to me it made the bike a much better handling bike. give them a go!
Danny
I installed the "road racing" brand clip ons to my M900 when I had one.(currently buying S4R). I think that it was the best mod that I did to the bike. I didnt notice that the bike stered any quicker (to make any bike ster quicker, drop the forks through the triple clamps).I did notice a great improvement in the handling of the bike. It places more weight over the front wheel and puts you in a position that is a little more areo dynamic. I rode my bike on a 2500km trip & did not find the bike too bad.you are no where near lent forward as the super bike, mabye close to the SS riding position. to me it made the bike a much better handling bike. give them a go!
Danny
I had been considering putting taller bars on, as some have done. But enough people have reported clipons to be more comfortable, I'm looking in that direction also.
I've not had pain or fatigue in my wrists on the Monster (I do have wrist pains on most bicycles I ride - road bikes and mountain bikes). Sometimes my lower back gets a little tender when I ride the Monster for more than an hour straight due to a bad disc.
Does anyone with clipons find it easier or at least no worse on the lower back than the stock bars? I'm sure the clip ons would help at track days because I have a tendency to stay very upright with the stock bars because they just don't feel good when I try to tuck in.
I've not had pain or fatigue in my wrists on the Monster (I do have wrist pains on most bicycles I ride - road bikes and mountain bikes). Sometimes my lower back gets a little tender when I ride the Monster for more than an hour straight due to a bad disc.
Does anyone with clipons find it easier or at least no worse on the lower back than the stock bars? I'm sure the clip ons would help at track days because I have a tendency to stay very upright with the stock bars because they just don't feel good when I try to tuck in.
A few observations:
1. My clip-ons are Redlines. They are the same width as stock. I am contemplating cutting them back a bit.
2. I did not have to change the front ride height.
3. I percieve the steering as quicker, probably because the position encourages active weight transfer while steering.
4. I believe it makes the bike more stable by putting more weight over the front.
5. Your wrists do not get tired if you support your upper body with stomach and back muscles ( the correct technique) and squeeze the tank with your knees.
6. The lower position makes my factory fairing FAR more effective. The reduced wind blast on my torso makes the bike more stable due to less gust induced handlebar inputs.
7. Women find me more attractive and want to bear my children. It's a terrible dissapointment to them when I tell them I've been shooting blanks for 7 years
1. My clip-ons are Redlines. They are the same width as stock. I am contemplating cutting them back a bit.
2. I did not have to change the front ride height.
3. I percieve the steering as quicker, probably because the position encourages active weight transfer while steering.
4. I believe it makes the bike more stable by putting more weight over the front.
5. Your wrists do not get tired if you support your upper body with stomach and back muscles ( the correct technique) and squeeze the tank with your knees.
6. The lower position makes my factory fairing FAR more effective. The reduced wind blast on my torso makes the bike more stable due to less gust induced handlebar inputs.
7. Women find me more attractive and want to bear my children. It's a terrible dissapointment to them when I tell them I've been shooting blanks for 7 years
I put the clip-ons from the Monster 900 catalog onto my S4. Boy oh boy, are they low! They have about an inch and a half of rise but I didn't take into account how much downward angle the bars have built in (is slope a better word?). They go above the triple clamp on the 2-valver but I mounted them under.
They do good things for handling and control- a worthy upgrade. I have noticed many of the benefits cited here also. They also make my wrists hurt and my digits go numb. Oh well, can't have it all.
If I were doing it again I'd buy the Cycle Cats. They look like a near perfect solution.
They do good things for handling and control- a worthy upgrade. I have noticed many of the benefits cited here also. They also make my wrists hurt and my digits go numb. Oh well, can't have it all.
If I were doing it again I'd buy the Cycle Cats. They look like a near perfect solution.
I have the billet clip-ons from MotoWheels. Steering is a little quicker; and I like that. There's a little pressure on the wrists but no more than with the stock bars. My back doesn't ache as much as with the stock bars. They are about the same width as the stockers and could possibly be cut down 3/4 inch or so but I don't feel it's nessessary (for me).
I have the same billet clip ons. They're made by Rizoma and they look/work great. Overall the position is better and I feel more connected with the bike. The wind blast is reduced and I can now tuck behind the fairing with some degree of success. It's a great mod to do. I'm pretty mechanically NON-inclined and I did the install myself. Deffinately worth the $125!
Here's pix of the installed clipons.
http://www.ducatimonster.org/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=forum1;action=display;num=1068586948
If the pix are not working, check back-digitalpose hosting is SOOOO unreliable.
Here's pix of the installed clipons.
http://www.ducatimonster.org/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi?board=forum1;action=display;num=1068586948
If the pix are not working, check back-digitalpose hosting is SOOOO unreliable.
I have the DP billet clip ons; I like the more aggressive position on the bike. At higher speeds I prefer to have more lean against the tank a) because I don't weigh that much and feel blown back against the rear of the seat so I catch less wind a little 'tucked'
b) there's not much wind protection on a naked bike.
With the forward weight it is easier and more efficent to shift weight distribution for steering, meaning your body weight is lending itself in steering instead of just pushing a handlebar
b) there's not much wind protection on a naked bike.
With the forward weight it is easier and more efficent to shift weight distribution for steering, meaning your body weight is lending itself in steering instead of just pushing a handlebar
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·just finished my rizomas from motowheels. havent ridden it yet but i sat on the duck for at least an hour, mostly eyes closed daydreaming, but my wrists felt fine
Just to tag along to this point - in addition to preventing wrist discomfort, the bike behaves SOOO much better when you aren't putting all that weight on the bars!! Breaking my habit of putting weight on the bars has been one of the single greatest handling "mods" I've made. And it's good for your abs: bonus! ;D
And it's good for your abs: bonus! ;D
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I put a set of Pro-Flo Clipons on last week after my engine in/out ordeal & I reckon there Awesome.
You just think about hitting a corner & your through & much to my delight, the boots are getting a good chamfer.
A couple of mates following me (or trying to) commented on how much faster i'm getting through corners.
Around town I do notice a bit extra hurt on the wrists, but once your over 100kph it just all comes together, & you feel at one with the bike.
i find sliding right forward on the seat & slightly arching your back, leaves your arms straight & quite comfortable. Do have a problem with the family jewels on the tank though if you moove the wrong way.
I've only got 19mm above the triple & have never had trouble with head shake or wallow, so was reluctant to drop the clamps & mount above.
But after reading this thread, it seems some of you have dropped the front & been pleasantly suprised. My Clip ons are 44mm wide so i would have to drop the clamps 25mm.
I think i'll give this a try. The way they are now is Pretty Low!! at a guess 6" lower than the stock bars, so having them up 1" + the width of the triple (2-1/2" higher) sounds about right.
Will try it out & see what happens.
Another thing i noticed with the clip ons is the different feeling i get holding onto the bars. With the stock bars, right hand I always had a good grip on the bars & just use 1 finger for the brake, Left hand was more like 2 fingers on the Clutch lever & two on the bars.
With the clip ons, the right hand is still the same (Duc brakes are awesome!!) But i feel a bit awkward on the clutch side, probably due to the leant over posture & grabbing a heavilly down angled bar. I have adjusted my lever out to its furtherest setting so i can fully depress the clutch lever & still keep hold of the bar , but don't quite feel comfortable with only two fingers on the bar, (especially when the front wheel comes up) i can get three fingers on the bar, but in traffic 1 finger clutch operation causes early finger fatigue syndrome!
I've never done a riding course so have no idea what's correct proceedure here. How do you guys with clip ons get about this?
You just think about hitting a corner & your through & much to my delight, the boots are getting a good chamfer.
A couple of mates following me (or trying to) commented on how much faster i'm getting through corners.
Around town I do notice a bit extra hurt on the wrists, but once your over 100kph it just all comes together, & you feel at one with the bike.
i find sliding right forward on the seat & slightly arching your back, leaves your arms straight & quite comfortable. Do have a problem with the family jewels on the tank though if you moove the wrong way.
I've only got 19mm above the triple & have never had trouble with head shake or wallow, so was reluctant to drop the clamps & mount above.
But after reading this thread, it seems some of you have dropped the front & been pleasantly suprised. My Clip ons are 44mm wide so i would have to drop the clamps 25mm.
I think i'll give this a try. The way they are now is Pretty Low!! at a guess 6" lower than the stock bars, so having them up 1" + the width of the triple (2-1/2" higher) sounds about right.
Will try it out & see what happens.
Another thing i noticed with the clip ons is the different feeling i get holding onto the bars. With the stock bars, right hand I always had a good grip on the bars & just use 1 finger for the brake, Left hand was more like 2 fingers on the Clutch lever & two on the bars.
With the clip ons, the right hand is still the same (Duc brakes are awesome!!) But i feel a bit awkward on the clutch side, probably due to the leant over posture & grabbing a heavilly down angled bar. I have adjusted my lever out to its furtherest setting so i can fully depress the clutch lever & still keep hold of the bar , but don't quite feel comfortable with only two fingers on the bar, (especially when the front wheel comes up) i can get three fingers on the bar, but in traffic 1 finger clutch operation causes early finger fatigue syndrome!
I've never done a riding course so have no idea what's correct proceedure here. How do you guys with clip ons get about this?
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