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Hi!

I'm thinking about messing with the Weber 1.5M ECU on my '00 to get more midrange grunt. Anyone installed the FIM Ultimap flashload or the Ducati Performance replacement ECU, and how did you like them?

Does it still make sense to install a PCIII once you've done this upgrade? Or am I better off leaving the ECU alone and just getting the PCIII?

This is strictly a street bike and won't need frequent tuning for track days.

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Bob
 
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My '00 M900 open airbox, & slip ons, got the FIM flashload and dynoed, so I can't say anything about just the flashload itself, but I am very happy with the results. I always thought for the lumpy 900 I got it working pretty smoothly and gained some hp, and torque that way..can't address the PCIII either, but I finally had a couple of the SoCal guys ride my monster yesterday, both have S4's, and one has the PCIII. They both remarked how smooth my bike ran throughout, in comparasion. I believe they were telling me the truth, and they are both good and knowledgable riders.
Considering your mod list I am sure you would see benefit from
either the FIM flashload or the PCIII. And even better results with a good tuner and a dyno.
 
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pc3 you can change maps your self can't you? so if you change something else you can change that to.
is there a big price difference?
 

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According to FIM's website the flashload I'm thinking about is $180. For that you get a specific and in theory MUCH improved remapping of the stock ecu (no tuning included). It comes pre-programmed for slip-ons but no k&n (so I'd have to revert to the stock filter). Pro Italia is their US distributor, I'm still looking for a dealer in the Denver area that does this.

So, it' $180 for FIM Ultimap vs. $400+ for a PCIII + dyno time. With the PCIII you can retune after each additional engine mod as long as you pay for the dyno time. Thing is, the only other engine mod I'm thinking of making is adding an ignition booster, so I don't really need to be making constant changes.

Does a combination of both make any sense. ??? Better ecu mapping and more consistent fuel/air?
 
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you can download multiple maps here http://powercommander.com/703-211.shtml.. no dyno time needed, you can make changes by changing maps.
ignition booster? don't know what you mean by that, but then you might need dyno time.
check the user submitted maps there might be something you can use.
 
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the k&n filter shouldn't make any difference over stock, they say the stock filter flows better.
it's the open air box that makes the mixture lean (more air flow).. so you need to richen, (more fuel).
the k&n style filter will stand up to rain better than stock(paper) filter.
hope this helps.
 

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Bob,

I was one of the guys that rode Retro's 900, it was very smooth, better than my S4 with the PCIII and Dynotune.

My PCIII was $312 out the door, and the dynotune was $175, here in SoCal. It is definitely better with the dynotune than just with the website or CD maps. I can't do a chip swap or reprogramming on the stock IAW5.9 ECU, so it was either the PCIII or the full-boat FIM unit. I'm not racing, so the FIM unit seemed like a lot more capability than I'd ever need.

Just to clarify, the PCIII can only alter the air-fuel mixture. The FIM flashload_may_alter the ignition timing as well, but I don't know.

The PCIII allows you to alter the map any time you want, but if you're not going to mod your engine much more, that's no benefit.
 

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It looks like the combination of the two might be my best bet. Oh boy $$$$$$.

Since the PCIII for the '00 monster doesn't alter ignition timing, upgrading the ECU via the FIM Ultimap or other aftermarket map is necessary to deal with the timing issues. Then tacking on the PCIII will give the best fuel/air ratios, a BIG deal here in the Rockies. Because of that it's probably best to get it dyno-tuned as well.

Even with the Ultimap, I probably won't have to go back to the stock filter since I haven't modified the airbox, just dumped the snorkels.

The ignition booster (www.evoluzione.net) increases the size of the spark. Seems like that might be an issue with the 2v engines because all the new ones now use dual spark plugs.
 
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.....If going the FIM route you may want to call some of the links FIM's site for their opinion. Like BCM or Doug Lofrgen.
I believe they would have some good answers for your questions.
 
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