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05-14-2019 11:54 PM
dacquisto
Quote:
Originally Posted by haloguy628z View Post
8,000 mi on the odometer - ask when was the last valve check/adjustment done. same for belt replacement. Big servioce should be done at 6,000 miles.

Power Commander 5 - No PC5 for S4R. It's PC3. Ask who did the dyno and custom map and ask for copy of the map if the seller has it.

K&N Filter - pretty standard with custom map, and is washable so you won't need to buy a new filter ever.

Arrow Exhaust - good quality exhaust. If it's the titanium one then it has baffles. If it's the CF one it's the loud race exhaust and you can only install baffles if you change the end caps. If you neeed info PM me I done it and have the part #'s for the end caps and baffles. Also if the bike still has the OEM cow udder then the Arrows are just slip ons. If there is no ugly udder it's the full system.

Steering Dampener - Steering damper is a good insurance against tank slappers. However it's best to have suspension setup for your weight then tank slappers will be mostly eliminated. The S4R has fully adjustable forks and shock but it was built for tiny Italians.

Rizomo Handlebars and Levers - Nice quality bling (Rizoma is Italian and it's expensive)

Oberon Clutch Slave Cylinder - Oberon slave is one of the best quality slave cylinders. It makes your clutch a lot softer.

Rizomo Mirrors (will likely replace these with the care racer style) - again good quality so if you are going to sell them then make some research on the price. You may get more $ for them.

Open clutch cover - Makes the clutch sing that Ducati song

Looks like who ever modified the bike knew what they were doing. However make sure to find out when the valves were done and when the belts were changed (usually done at the same time). Timewise and mileagewise. Valve adjustment should be done every 6K miles. Belts should be replaced every 2 years but you can go twice as long.

If the valves and belts were done at 6K miles last year you're OK.

If they were done at 6K five years ago the valves are OK but the belts should be changed.

If neither was done at 6K you should negotiate the price down.

If you will have to pay the dealer for the service you may look at $800 - $1000 price. Private shops are usually cheaper and you will probably be out of $500 - $600. If you are little bit skilled the belts change is pretty simple and there are tons of videos on YouTube that show it step by step. Valves are harder on 4V engine and probably need to be done by mechanic if you did not do any wrenching before.

Good luck.
Thank you for all that. I'm still sort of amazed at the knowledge here in the forums.
05-14-2019 11:44 PM
dacquisto
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Originally Posted by alancsalt View Post
I do not slide around corners, break the rear tyre loose, or constantly wheelstand.
Riiiight lol
05-14-2019 11:41 PM
dacquisto
Quote:
Originally Posted by caferacermike View Post

If you are looking for an interesting air cooled replacement and just want to try a different machine, maybe check out the GT1000.
Thanks for al that. I am stuck on the older Monster Body styles, though. It's a "thing." lol
05-14-2019 10:34 PM
alancsalt
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Originally Posted by caferacermike View Post
You ain't givin it the beans then.

Of course you can putt around on it, but it's a chore compared to many other motorcycles with less torque. Be as awesome as you wan't but you know with a blip that bike will outrun most any rider on the forums.
I feel no need to constantly give it the beans. I want to keep my rider's licence. Maybe I'm cheating, but it's reflashed and fully dyno tuned, so mine runs great low down, and is no chore to putt around on. Yes, a blip is all it takes ....

Stock, well it would stutter, surge, pop and hesitate below 4000rpm ..
05-14-2019 08:42 PM
caferacermike
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Originally Posted by alancsalt View Post
I have no difficulty controlling my throttle hand. I do not slide around corners, break the rear tyre loose, or constantly wheelstand. The only time I have to take any extra care with my throttle hand is in the rain. I love my S4RS.

I don't have an S2R. I do have an 1100 Evo ABS. Roll on throttle, top gear, more than 4000rpm, the 1100 has vibration that the S4RS doesn't have.
The seat of the S4RS is more comfortable. The Evo seat tips me into the tank.
You ain't givin it the beans then.

Of course you can putt around on it, but it's a chore compared to many other motorcycles with less torque. Be as awesome as you wan't but you know with a blip that bike will outrun most any rider on the forums.
05-14-2019 07:01 PM
alancsalt I have no difficulty controlling my throttle hand. I do not slide around corners, break the rear tyre loose, or constantly wheelstand. The only time I have to take any extra care with my throttle hand is in the rain. I love my S4RS.

I don't have an S2R. I do have an 1100 Evo ABS. Roll on throttle, top gear, more than 4000rpm, the 1100 has vibration that the S4RS doesn't have.
The seat of the S4RS is more comfortable. The Evo seat tips me into the tank.
05-14-2019 12:54 AM
haloguy628z 8,000 mi on the odometer - ask when was the last valve check/adjustment done. same for belt replacement. Big servioce should be done at 6,000 miles.

Power Commander 5 - No PC5 for S4R. It's PC3. Ask who did the dyno and custom map and ask for copy of the map if the seller has it.

K&N Filter - pretty standard with custom map, and is washable so you won't need to buy a new filter ever.

Arrow Exhaust - good quality exhaust. If it's the titanium one then it has baffles. If it's the CF one it's the loud race exhaust and you can only install baffles if you change the end caps. If you neeed info PM me I done it and have the part #'s for the end caps and baffles. Also if the bike still has the OEM cow udder then the Arrows are just slip ons. If there is no ugly udder it's the full system.

Steering Dampener - Steering damper is a good insurance against tank slappers. However it's best to have suspension setup for your weight then tank slappers will be mostly eliminated. The S4R has fully adjustable forks and shock but it was built for tiny Italians.

Rizomo Handlebars and Levers - Nice quality bling (Rizoma is Italian and it's expensive)

Oberon Clutch Slave Cylinder - Oberon slave is one of the best quality slave cylinders. It makes your clutch a lot softer.

Rizomo Mirrors (will likely replace these with the care racer style) - again good quality so if you are going to sell them then make some research on the price. You may get more $ for them.

Open clutch cover - Makes the clutch sing that Ducati song

Looks like who ever modified the bike knew what they were doing. However make sure to find out when the valves were done and when the belts were changed (usually done at the same time). Timewise and mileagewise. Valve adjustment should be done every 6K miles. Belts should be replaced every 2 years but you can go twice as long.

If the valves and belts were done at 6K miles last year you're OK.

If they were done at 6K five years ago the valves are OK but the belts should be changed.

If neither was done at 6K you should negotiate the price down.

If you will have to pay the dealer for the service you may look at $800 - $1000 price. Private shops are usually cheaper and you will probably be out of $500 - $600. If you are little bit skilled the belts change is pretty simple and there are tons of videos on YouTube that show it step by step. Valves are harder on 4V engine and probably need to be done by mechanic if you did not do any wrenching before.

Good luck.
05-13-2019 11:04 PM
dacquisto
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Originally Posted by MarshallGibson View Post
Reading this makes me wanna put up my S2R1000 up for sale and get an S4R or S4RS! Don't tell her I said that!
I'm probably going to take the leap. The weight-forward thing is likely what makes the back tire slip-out in turns. I will try to be careful with that, while I am getting more comfortable with the squirreling (ruts in the Seattle streets, ugh). My opinion is that having that much extra power is actually safer, say on the freeway when someone starts to cut you off, but of course it depends on what kind of a driver you are, and I'm a 52 year old with a gold-star driving record.

With that said, the S4R is not nearly as intimidating as was moving from the M900 to the S2R1000, in my opinion.
05-13-2019 10:24 AM
MarshallGibson
Quote:
Originally Posted by caferacermike View Post
As an S4RS owner and a Sport Classic owner I hope I can shed some thoughts on this.

The 1100DS motor is a fantastic machine, the pinnacle of the air cooled engines. It's a little more oomph than the 1000 but not much. Now the S4R will have the 996, not the 998 my S4RS has. These are not 100% apples to apples comparisons to the S2R or S4R but not everyone will have damn near the exact bikes you are comparing in their garage, which I do.

I enjoy the riding experience more on the Sport Classic than the S4RS. The 1100DS makes very nice power all the way across the board. There is a kick in the pants around 4000 rpm as to be expected. With some clutch slip it will easily tip the front wheel to the sky. The S4RS is completely different. It's all torque all the time. It wants to pull the front wheel all the way over just because. No clutch needed, no suspension bounce, just twist the throttle. The rear tire breaks loose for any reason whether you ask for it to or not. If you can master sliding the rear end out while roasting the back tire through a corner, oh you are in for a treat. There is a reason mine is set up for monoposta only. I don't want to involve anyone in the madness.

If you are commuting or just riding around and want another machine, the S2R is a better bike. If you are looking to add some madness and mayhem the S4R kicks it up a notch. Not quite as big a notch as the S4RS but it will be a different bike than your S2R. It will also handle much more different as there is a weight forward bias with the radiator and larger engine parts.

If you are looking for an interesting air cooled replacement and just want to try a different machine, maybe check out the GT1000.
Reading this makes me wanna put up my S2R1000 up for sale and get an S4R or S4RS! Don't tell her I said that!
05-08-2019 05:21 PM
dacquisto
Quote:
Originally Posted by caferacermike View Post
The rear tire breaks loose for any reason whether you ask for it to or not.
Well... This isn't exactly what I wanted to hear. lol

I bit the bullet and went with the S4R. Turns out that this is what happened to the previous owner and he dropped it at about 20mph. (He thought he "hit a patch of oil or something.") That was enough for him to sell it. I hit a patch of gravel while cornering on a windy road one time on my S2R and did about 5 fishtails - that had me pulling over so I could stop shaking. I am rather proud that I handled that craziness, but I'm not looking for any more of that shit.

I find the S4R handles a lot like the S2R1000, but it actually feels a bit more powerful at higher speeds (this I like) and more stable, which is one of the joys I experienced in moving from my M900 to the S2R1000. Overall, I'm pretty happy. Cosmetically, it has issues, which is just fine with me since the S2R got stolen.... Too pretty is not always a good thing.

Yes - the torque thing all the time on this is pretty awesome, and the open clutch is also one of my favorite things abut these bikes. Shifting is SO nice on this S4R - even better than the S2Rm and the clutch is essentially gone, so I know what you mean regarding that.
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