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Monster795 01-01-2017 04:38 AM

Do Monsters just get more 'ugly' with each new model?
 
Maybe it's just me but Ducati seems to really screw up the lean and cleanliness of the Monsters with their 821 and above.
The 1100 EVO, 796 are the last Monster's that really look like they are supposed to be. Naked, aggressive and sporty.
Now we get all these extras in the head unit like the on the Panigale - which is nice - but all the design changes make it more cheap looking than ever.
The M1200 , M821 and so on..even the Panigale 959 is a bit of an eyesore at first sight.

Again, maybe it's just me but I can't see myself buying any of the newer bikes. They sort of miss the real clean and sleak Ducati Monster feeling.
Anyone feeling the same?

caferacermike 01-01-2017 10:09 AM

Yes I agree. While I still love Ducati superbikes, in all reality there hasn't been anything after 2009 that I felt I just had to have. Gone are normal headlights, trellis frames and dry clutches. All the things that made me want Ducati bikes to begin with.

While I don't mind the new Monsters, they just don't appeal to me. I think it might be a bit short sighted to bash the 821 and 1200, I kind of feel you are just banging around at the fact that they are liquid cooled. There have been liquid cooled M's for a very long time and I think it is actually very cool of Ducati to offer air cooled and water cooled versions of the same bike. Show me another manufacturer that ever did this.


I just don't feel any heritage, or lineage, when I look at the new bikes.

1UglyBastard 01-01-2017 02:40 PM

I do like how they look although they are getting a bit more bulky.

ill_mostro 01-01-2017 08:27 PM

I think the 2nd and 3rd gen Monsters are certainly nice bikes and see why people like them, they still do have Italian style in spades. But I gotta say I prefer the first generation Monsters with the full steel trellis frame, air cooled motor and simple round headlight. As simple as a sporting moto can get, with lots of Italian style. Sounds strange but one of the things I'm not a big fan of is the 2/3 gen twisty horizontal cylinder header routing, I love the way the old ones went down under the motor, just such a beautiful and quintessentially Ducati looking layout. Just personal preference, i'm sure if rode one of the new ones I wouldn't be so nostalgic, ha!

On the superbikes, I agree with the above, the 1098 was such a smooth looking bike. Panigale, so so for me. I'd much rather have a red Sport Classic 1000 or Paul Smart replica. Then again I'm in my mid 40s and I'm glad Ducati is appealing to younger riders with the Panigale, Scrambler etc. Good for the health of the company.

caferacermike 01-01-2017 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ill_mostro (Post 3083402)
I'd much rather have a red Sport Classic 1000 or Paul Smart replica.




YOU SHOULD GET ONE!! Do it. From someone that has one.

ill_mostro 01-01-2017 08:58 PM

I'm sure I will eventually! Just can't resist that bike; one of the all time classics for sure.

Rosso Classico 01-02-2017 04:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Monster795 (Post 3083210)
Maybe it's just me but Ducati seems to really screw up the lean and cleanliness of the Monsters with their 821 and above.
The 1100 EVO, 796 are the last Monster's that really look like they are supposed to be. Naked, aggressive and sporty.
Now we get all these extras in the head unit like the on the Panigale - which is nice - but all the design changes make it more cheap looking than ever.
The M1200 , M821 and so on..even the Panigale 959 is a bit of an eyesore at first sight.

Again, maybe it's just me but I can't see myself buying any of the newer bikes. They sort of miss the real clean and sleak Ducati Monster feeling.
Anyone feeling the same?



You have a 795, of course you think that it looks better than the new ones :grin...Pretty funny, as many "pure Ducatistas" (whatever the f**k that means) would refer to the 696/796/1100 gen. as "plastic monsters"...and oh, i used to have one of the "plastic" monsters myself (796).
Personally, i find the new gen (821/1200) better looking than the previous one - better looking headlight, mini-trellis works for me and the sub-frame is also better-looking compared to the previous gen's.

Now, i'm in the camp that thinks that Ducati does screw-up each new M.Y redesign - the old Diavel (gen.1) with that round headlight looked much better compared to the gen.2 with that ugly-looking headlight which resembled the head of the Alien queen from Aliens®...or thew MTS1200 DVT...or the monster 1200 2017 M.Y with its smaller and different headlight (which somehow reminds me of the shitty one of the 696/796/1200)...and its instrument cover (black plastic thingie) which looks uglier (and again reminds me of the previous gen's one)and less agressive, or, the whole redesign where some curves got lost and got replaced by angles (i.e : undertail, details on the header heat cover etc).And yeah, the side exhausts on the 959 are a joke - Ducati must also be thinking that since...there's no picture to be found from the bike's right side on the official site (gee, i wonder why).
in fact, i'd go as far as to say that i prefer the 1199 SL to the 1299 SL solely for the fact that the exhausts were still a part of the bike's whole design compared to the 1299 SL's, and yeah, i know that the 1299 SBK has its exhausts mounted there, still...

The thing that gets me though, is that nowadays Ducati wants to make you feel "poor®", i mean, what, you want a SSSA on your monster/pani? Well, you're a filthy paesant , if you don't have the money for the 1200 version you should go for the povo edition® M821/Pani 959 - something which didn't happen on the previous gen of their bikes, i'm talking about the 848/1098 (both SFs and SBKs), Hypermotards and monsters (the 696 didn't but the 796 did), and while it's normal for the less expensive option to feature less goodies, taking off/stripping down some existing features that were present in previous models but not in the new ones just reeks of milking and corporate greed.
I mean, shit, you can spend 24+ thousand euros for the "normal" 1299 but...no LED headlight - you have to go for the S version for that...yeahhhh.

There's a difference between presenting and offering various models and trying to do everything in your power to make the most affordable version look like the least desirable one.

For the complete opposite of this, take a look at MV's line-up.

Montducati 01-02-2017 09:47 AM

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rz33v4 01-02-2017 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Classico Rosso (Post 3083466)
You have a 795, of course you think that it looks better than the new ones :grin...Pretty funny, as many "pure Ducatistas" (whatever the f**k that means) would refer to the 696/796/1100 gen. as "plastic monsters"...and oh, i used to have one of the "plastic" monsters myself (796).
Personally, i find the new gen (821/1200) better looking than the previous one - better looking headlight, mini-trellis works for me and the sub-frame is also better-looking compared to the previous gen's.

Now, i'm in the camp that thinks that Ducati does screw-up each new M.Y redesign - the old Diavel (gen.1) with that round headlight looked much better compared to the gen.2 with that ugly-looking headlight which resembled the head of the Alien queen from Aliens®...or thew MTS1200 DVT...or the monster 1200 2017 M.Y with its smaller and different headlight (which somehow reminds me of the shitty one of the 696/796/1200)...and its instrument cover (black plastic thingie) which looks uglier (and again reminds me of the previous gen's one)and less agressive, or, the whole redesign where some curves got lost and got replaced by angles (i.e : undertail, details on the header heat cover etc).And yeah, the side exhausts on the 959 are a joke - Ducati must also be thinking that since...there's no picture to be found from the bike's right side on the official site (gee, i wonder why).
in fact, i'd go as far as to say that i prefer the 1199 SL to the 1299 SL solely for the fact that the exhausts were still a part of the bike's whole design compared to the 1299 SL's, and yeah, i know that the 1299 SBK has its exhausts mounted there, still...

The thing that gets me though, is that nowadays Ducati wants to make you feel "poor®", i mean, what, you want a SSSA on your monster/pani? Well, you're a filthy paesant , if you don't have the money for the 1200 version you should go for the povo edition® M821/Pani 959 - something which didn't happen on the previous gen of their bikes, i'm talking about the 848/1098 (both SFs and SBKs), Hypermotards and monsters (the 696 didn't but the 796 did), and while it's normal for the less expensive option to feature less goodies, taking off/stripping down some existing features that were present in previous models but not in the new ones just reeks of milking and corporate greed.
I mean, shit, you can spend 24+ thousand euros for the "normal" 1299 but...no LED headlight - you have to go for the S version for that...yeahhhh.

There's a difference between presenting and offering various models and trying to do everything in your power to make the most affordable version look like the least desirable one.

For the complete opposite of this, take a look at MV's line-up.

I'm sorry, Rosso, but what you call Ducati's problem is how the vehicle world separates models in their lineups. Look at any car/truck from any maker - the base model doesn't have the goodies or the look of the top-of-the-line model. The reason? All those goodies cost more money to spec on the vehicles and the manufacturers are in a for-profit business. Four-color TFT instruments cost more than LCD units, SSSAs cost more than double-sided, LED headlights cost more than halogen, etc.

I love MVs (I own an F3), but maybe part of the reason for their current financial problems is that they don't charge enough for their bikes.

DarR 01-02-2017 11:41 AM

@Monster795
I believe I can comment objectively owning two of the models you mentioned.
While I was lukewarm when Ducati went to water cooled, the newer 1200's do have more of a bad-ass look to them but the air cooled were more esthetically balanced from left to right.
As for the 959 Panigale, it's drop-dead gorgeous Period...and that's from any direction you happen to be looking at it. P.S. I have the stunning North-American version.


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