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post #11 of 44 (permalink) Old 01-02-2017, 01:34 PM
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I believe I can comment objectively owning two of the models you mentioned.
While I was lukewarm when Ducati went to water cooled, the newer 1200's do have more of a bad-ass look to them but the air cooled were more esthetically balanced from left to right.
As for the 959 Panigale, it's drop-dead gorgeous Period...and that's from any direction you happen to be looking at it. P.S. I have the stunning North-American version.
The reason the air-cooled bikes looked more aesthetically balanced, left-to-right, is the water cooling plumbing on the LH side. If Ducati would just use the new engine cases from the XDiavel that re-routes all that exposed plumbing inside for the Monster family we'd all be happier.

I agree on the Panigale's looks. Just park it next to an R1, S1000RR or ZX10R to see the difference between a bike that's properly industrially designed versus ones that look like "parts flying in formation".
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The reason the air-cooled bikes looked more aesthetically balanced, left-to-right, is the water cooling plumbing on the LH side. If Ducati would just use the new engine cases from the XDiavel that re-routes all that exposed plumbing inside for the Monster family we'd all be happier.
Indeed. I wish Ducati would do exactly that with their next iteration.

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It's purely a personal opinion, but admiring Ducatis from afar my whole life, I believe they peaked in 08, and every single subsequent year has seen a cartoon like design add on, that veered from the classic thing Italian bike and car makers knew how to do.. To keep that balance between organic and man made functionality.

I feel they've strayed in a need to continuously, and sometimes pointlessly move on whether it was needed it or not.

I don't like Ferrari any more either. Same reason.

I'm not saying I wouldn't love one . Just that in an armchair judge perspective, they had aesthetically much better days.
They're shouting too loudly, and not doing what they do/did best. Arrogantly being better, quietly.

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IMO, the Monster peaked aesthetically with the S2R1000. Never was a Monster prettier than that. Functionally, of course, they just keep getting more and more capable (and better handling) with each iteration, at the expense of simplicity (of both form and function).

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It's purely a personal opinion, but admiring Ducatis from afar my whole life, I believe they peaked in 08, and every single subsequent year has seen a cartoon like design add on, that veered from the classic thing Italian bike and car makers knew how to do.. To keep that balance between organic and man man functionality.

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I'm with you on this one Rob. The line-up of 2009 is my favorite.

It went downhill after that because of the departure of Pierre Terblanche from Ducati in 2007-08.

He is behind the astonishing design of the MHe900, the Hypermotard and the SportClassics line. If it wasn't for the 999 and the first Gen Multistrada he would be hailed as a genius like Massimo Tamburini.
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I'm with you on this one Rob. The line-up of 2009 is my favorite.

It went downhill after that because of the departure of Pierre Terblanche from Ducati in 2007-08.

He is behind the astonishing design of the MHe900, the Hypermotard and the SportClassics line. If it wasn't for the 999 and the first Gen Multistrada he would be hailed as a genius like Massimo Tamburini.
I suppose the goal shifted. Technology being what it is.

I'd still rather have the original Ferrari California, than a Veyron.
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IMO, the Monster peaked aesthetically with the S2R1000. Never was a Monster prettier than that. Functionally, of course, they just keep getting more and more capable (and better handling) with each iteration, at the expense of simplicity (of both form and function).

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It's what I just bought, Phil.
Clearly I'm biased, but it's just beautiful.
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It's purely a personal opinion, but admiring Ducatis from afar my whole life, I believe they peaked in 08, and every single subsequent year has seen a cartoon like design add on, that veered from the classic thing Italian bike and car makers knew how to do.. To keep that balance between organic and man made functionality.

I feel they've strayed in a need to continuously, and sometimes pointlessly move on whether it was needed it or not.

I don't like Ferrari any more either. Same reason.

I'm not saying I wouldn't love one . Just that in an armchair judge perspective, they had aesthetically much better days.
They're shouting too loudly, and not doing what they do/did best. Arrogantly being better, quietly.

Rob.
Well, the Monsters have become more complicated in design because they chased higher performance goals than on the air-cooled bikes. The 4V, water cooled engines are more complex both internally and externally compared to the 2V, air cooled versions, but they sure make more power. Now whether buyers need that extra power is a subject for debate.
Externally the LH exposed water lines should be hidden inside the engine cases as was done on the XDiavel.
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In a word, YES.
The Monster has turned into an ugly beast.
Looks, of course, are subjective.
That being said, I feel that I've recently purchased the best looking Monster of the entire line.
I may be a bit biased though.LOL!
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In a word, YES.
The Monster has turned into an ugly beast.
Looks, of course, are subjective.
That being said, I feel that I've recently purchased the best looking Monster of the entire line.
I may be a bit biased though.LOL!
What year is that? 06?
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