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1100 evo shakes/luggy under 3300 rpm normal?

just bought a 2012 monster 1100 evo last night..was wondering if the shaky lugginess is normsal whn riding under 3300 rpm..more noticeable 4th 5th n 6th gear on the highway.

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Yes, that is normal. Termis help smooth it out though as does a 14T front sprocket.
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That's exactly the way my 2013 behaved. Anything under 3500 rpm in any gear was sluggish with spitting and sputtering. It acted like it was running on one cylinder. My Termignoni slip-on kit had no effect on it. I had an ECU reflash performed and it cured better than 90% of it. The next step is -1 on the front sprocket.

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It's a Ducati. You run them at or above 4,000 rpm. Heck I think it's even in the owners manual. If you learn to love them that way, they will reward you with intense performance.

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That's exactly the way my 2013 behaved. Anything under 3500 rpm in any gear was sluggish with spitting and sputtering. It acted like it was running on one cylinder. My Termignoni slip-on kit had no effect on it. I had an ECU reflash performed and it cured better than 90% of it. The next step is -1 on the front sprocket.
ecu reflash cured 90% for real?
but others are saying its normal behavior....hmmmm...
now i hope more can chime in...wondering if those that are sayng its normal are just dealing with it and should get an ecu reflash
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Normal. They "chatter" at ~2500 to ~3500. You have to learn how to ride them. When I first got mine, I rode it like my CBR. The handle bars shook as I pulled away in 1st. Eventually, I listened to the bike and learned to ride it how it likes. I don't see that chatter anymore.

It's got nothing to do with the ECU.
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Go down one tooth in the front sprocket and it will help. A G2 throttle tube should help too. And a re-flash of the ECU, which is an adjustment to 'mapping', will definitely help.

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You can do all of that, but none of it is necessary.

If you step back and let the bike explain itself to you, it's not difficult to feel it's powerband and ride within it. It happens to be above 3,500. If you ride a Japanese inline 4 it will be different yet. If you have a vintage parallel twin, it's another story. Try a 2 stroke and it may make some power down low, but expect a swift kick in the ass above 6,000 rpm. All engines perform differently.

I guess my problem is that I've owned several cars from the 60's and 70's all the way up to modern and some were death traps. I've owned over a hundred motorcycles, some are kick start only, some electric only. Some shift on the right while most shift on the left. Some have drum brakes, some have disc. Some used "GP" shift while others were the normal configuration. Some were built in 1958, some were built in 2008. Each machine is different and I had to be flexible. I couldn't get on my 1972 Norton and expect it to ride the same as my 2008 S4RS, or vice versa.

If you just learn to find the sweet spots, no throttle tamers, 14 tooth sprockets, ECU remapping is necessary. Sure you can do all that, but they run just fine without it. I've got 4 Ducati's at my house that say I'm right.

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ecu reflash cured 90% for real?
but others are saying its normal behavior....hmmmm...
now i hope more can chime in...wondering if those that are sayng its normal are just dealing with it and should get an ecu reflash
It depends what exactly you are referring to. There are actually 2 things that happen with the bike when run under 4k... There is poor fueling which cause some surging and stumbling, but there is also lugging (that shake you get) under 3.5k RPM. All sport twins I have ever owned do the same thing (Lugging- And the more CCs the worse it is). The only one that did not was my Hawk GT, but that thing only pushed about 40 HP and 35 ft lbs. You just need to ride twins the way they prefer, which is generally at 4k RPM and above. However, I actually LOVE rolling this thing on in 3rd gear at 3k RPM, because I find it's not so luggy in 3rd gear if you are *light* with the throttle uptake... it sounds amazing at that point and I LOVE the way the power comes on doing this it is very satisfying to me. What the re-map fixes is the absurd surging and stumbling from the closed loop O2 sensor effed with fueling below 4k (felt most pronouncedly in 1st and 2nd gear).

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Simply a good balance of throttle works for me

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