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dodge_mich 10-27-2019 12:20 PM

Cold start kickback - no starter engagement
 
Always how it goes - went to move the bike to storage today as winter is on its way. Cold start usually a bit finicky (45F today), but this AM it kicked out with a snap after a short fire and now the stater will run but not engage (just freewheels). Garage floor is a bit too slick to get the engine to bump via the rear wheel in gear.

Seems like it took out the starter gear/sprag, but seeing if anyone has run into anything similar before I start digging in...guess it's not moving to storage today...

EDIT - very similar to this incident...also reflects sprag/ring gear: https://www.diavel-forum.com/index.p...ngages-engine/

TjHunter 10-31-2019 03:28 PM

Probably the sprag clutch if its not engaging, it can happen from all the research I have done when I had an issue with a Multistrada that I had. From the research you can use a KTM sprag, they are about 1/2 the price of the Ducati part.

dodge_mich 11-04-2019 07:08 PM

Got it split open, does seem like the sprag isn't engaging. Have the flywheel bolt and washer pulled, but the flywheel won't budge, despite being splined vs tapered.

Anyone run into this before?

TjHunter 11-04-2019 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by dodge_mich (Post 3167666)
Got it split open, does seem like the sprag isn't engaging. Have the flywheel bolt and washer pulled, but the flywheel won't budge, despite being splined vs tapered.

Anyone run into this before?

I still believe it has a slight taper, gentle tap with wood and a hammer should get it off.

dodge_mich 11-04-2019 07:25 PM

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I still believe it has a slight taper, gentle tap with wood and a hammer should get it off.

That's what I would've thought too - familiar with "the tap" to get tapered ones off. Even gave it some tension with a three-jaw puller, a few light taps...no love. Seems like I'm missing something...but there's not much to it...lol.

dodge_mich 11-04-2019 08:07 PM

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Got it off...just needed quite a bit more oomph and a few more thwacks...was on there pretty well. Snug the whole way off as well.

Definitely a bad sprag, but should be a quick fix once the parts come in.

TjHunter 11-05-2019 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by dodge_mich (Post 3167674)
Got it off...just needed quite a bit more oomph and a few more thwacks...was on there pretty well. Snug the whole way off as well.

Definitely a bad sprag, but should be a quick fix once the parts come in.

Mmm, sprag for dinner, DAMN, that was MUNCHED, glad you got it off!

brainless 11-10-2019 08:47 PM

This is freakin' insane! Hopefully nothing got into the engine.

I picked up a 2016 1200S and it's having the exact same problem. I wanted to go for a ride today (63F) and Qwack! Then free spinning... I've had the bike for less than 2 years.

Thanks for the info. This confirmed my research.

dodge_mich 11-10-2019 08:52 PM

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Originally Posted by brainless (Post 3167740)
This is freakin' insane! Hopefully nothing got into the engine.

I picked up a 2016 1200S and it's having the exact same problem. I wanted to go for a ride today (63F) and Qwack! Then free spinning... I've had the bike for less than 2 years.

Thanks for the info. This confirmed my research.

Wasn't running, and the sprag is pretty tucked in between the starter gear and the flywheel, so should be ok. Changing it out means draining the oil as well.

Sprag finally arrives here Tues. All in all, not a difficult job so far if you don't mind spinning wrenches.

I'm curious if the replacement part has the plastic holder. Seemed like the Diavels had a recall to ditch those, but couldn't find much on the Monsters...? I'd already torn in and had the part on order, but might be worth a call for your situ' just to see...
https://www.diavel-forum.com/index.p...-sprag-clutch/

brainless 11-10-2019 09:03 PM

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Originally Posted by dodge_mich (Post 3167742)
Wasn't running, and the sprag is pretty tucked in between the starter gear and the flywheel, so should be ok. Changing it out means draining the oil as well.

Sprag finally arrives here Tues. All in all, not a difficult job so far if you don't mind spinning wrenches.

I'm curious if the replacement part has the plastic holder. Seemed like the Diavels had a recall to ditch those, but couldn't find much on the Monsters...? I'd already torn in and had the part on order, but might be worth a call for your situ' just to see...
https://www.diavel-forum.com/index.p...-sprag-clutch/

Please let us know if it's plastic. Quite stupid to use plastic there when there is a crap load of compression that could backfire. Would love to know if there is an "upgrade."

I'm new to Ducati, are there sites to order OEM? Or do I really need to go to the local dealership?


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