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Rosso Classico 10-13-2016 02:42 PM

M1200 weird noise (?)
 
'Evening boys

You know the feeling when as soon as you get a new toy you start scrutinizing everything about it ? :grin well, here it goes :

I keep hearing guys this strange noise that it's driving me mad, remember when we were kids and we'd put a card on the rear wheel of our bicycles ? It's like a constant "HHHHhhhhhRRrrrrrrRRRRrrrr" for a lack of a better explanation and it's coming from the front of the bike.
At first i thought it was water cooler breaking through the wind creating this high pitched sound (or something not screwed properly in like the plastics from the water cooler) but apparently it's not - my mechanic took it out for a ride today and said it was normal(?) and it's because i come from a 2V air-cooled motor that i find this sound strange.
Well, thing is, i don't remember the 848, m821 and Diavel (2nd gen) that i've also ridden making this strange sound, then again, the motors are different so...

These videos "feature" said sound - strange thing is, i'm not sure it's the same sound or wind noise that's getting picked by the action-cam :


^ same guy, camera mounted on the same spot and there's difference in sound between the scrambler and the M821...

and

https://youtu.be/SOxMEwqSFjI?t=4m

I find it kind of worrying to be honest, and while the warranty is there in case anything happens...

"Too long, didn't read" version : Strange "hhhrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr" sound emanating from the front of the bike, mechanic says it's normal but i still find it weird.

Cheers [thumbsup]

Radracer6 10-13-2016 06:34 PM

Can you hear the sound with the bike on and parked? If so record it. Can use a screwdriver as stethoscope to try to locate it too

Rosso Classico 10-26-2016 03:45 PM

Well, after watching about a friggin' gazillion videos on youtube and also reading various posts on various forums in various languages :Dseems like that noise i described is...normal.
Shit's driving me crazy though as it's high-pitched, no prob after the 100+km/h mark though as wind-noise takes care of that :grin

My mechanic told me the other day that it's just the engine noise of said motor and also jokingly said "man, no 2 same Ducati engines make the same exact noise" - specifically referring to the TS 11' motor derived form the Multi1200 after having other owners asking about engine noise(s).

Again, i've ridden mostly air-cooled Ducatis so this seems strange to me (the noise that is), wish i could find an MTS1200 or M1200 to test-ride as to compare the noise...

Oh well...

omegarider 10-26-2016 06:22 PM

Rosso, wear some ear plugs, problem solved. :laugh

j/k man :grin, I think I know the sound that you're referring to and I believe it's normal, especially after you started this thread, because my bike makes the same sound too. At first I thought maybe something came loose, but my mechanic checked everything and found nothing. Anyway, I'm learning to ignore it.

:devil

Rosso Classico 10-26-2016 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by omegarider (Post 3069714)
Rosso, wear some ear plugs, problem solved. :laugh

https://giphy.com/gifs/gVoBC0SuaHStq/html5

j/k man :grin, I think I know the sound that you're referring to and I believe it's normal, especially after you started this thread, because my bike makes the same sound too. At first I thought maybe something came loose, but my mechanic checked everything and found nothing. Anyway, I'm learning to ignore it.

:devil

Omega, i think i love you :grin

Funny, my first thought was also that - that something came loose...
Since it's apparently normal...guess i'll get used to it, it is bloody annoying though, it gives me a damned headache...

Oh well, Ducatis man, what can you do ? ;)

Bono61 10-26-2016 09:45 PM

Although I read that the noise comes from the front of the bike ..... I had a rumbling noise and it was the rear pegs outside metal washer ..... solved it with dental floss in between the washer and the frame ..... couple of loops and a knot
Maybe just maybe

Cheers

Rosso Classico 10-27-2016 05:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bono61 (Post 3069762)
Although I read that the noise comes from the front of the bike ..... I had a rumbling noise and it was the rear pegs outside metal washer ..... solved it with dental floss in between the washer and the frame ..... couple of loops and a knot
Maybe just maybe

Cheers

Thanks Bono, appreciate the tip, will give the rear pegs a looksie ;)

cheers

Rosso Classico 10-29-2016 06:50 PM

Ok guys, it's not the pegs.

I'm not an OCD type of dude, it's just that this is the weirdest sounding bike i've ever ridden and i'm actually very curious now as to why it sounds like this - i know, different motors = different sounds, still, the Diavel that shares the same motor doesn't have this sound - at least that's what i remember after having test ridden it...

In the 2 videos below you can clearly hear the sound that i'm describing, it's a constant rattle-like sound which seems to emanate from the front(?)

http://youtu.be/hDZizvAq3Y4

and

http://youtu.be/jzpT1xKm9DI

^ start the video at the 2:28 mark

They're both 821's but the sound's exactly the same, besides the (usual) engine noise there's also this constant "chhhhhrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr" rattle-like sound - thing sounds like a friggin' tractor... :D

Basically gents, could anyone with engine/mechanical knowledge be kind as to explain why the motor sounds like this and why bikes with the same motor don't produce this sound ? The Diavel at least, never ridden an MTS1200 so i wouldn't know.
Unless, again, it's not the motor and said sound's produced from something else - like the huge water cooler for example ?

Really curious about this, apparently it's normal so my mind is at ease, still, i'd like to know the reason.

Cheers

Deano747 10-29-2016 08:43 PM

Listened to all the videos, I hear the noise you are concerned about. Mine makes the same, but i've never considered it abnormal.

Maybe it's the difference in the way the exhaust is set up from the Diavel.

Termi's & earplugs............

Sonic Duck 10-30-2016 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deano747 (Post 3070538)
Listened to all the videos, I hear the noise you are concerned about. Mine makes the same, but i've never considered it abnormal.

Maybe it's the difference in the way the exhaust is set up from the Diavel.

Termi's & earplugs............

I can't figure out what noise y'all are talking about but I was thinking maybe it was intake noise and the difference is there since the Monster just has the covered hole thing under the tank while the Diavel has air runners (dinky as they may be).

Deano747 10-30-2016 06:35 PM

You could be right about intake noise.

Whatever it is, I've never thought of it before now, and it's normal............

Mister Ducati 10-31-2016 09:29 AM

Yes this sound is normal for this model. And Sonic Duck is basically correct as to the air box being the culprit.
All Ducati engines use light weight/thin wall engine casings and without any sound dampeners such as backlash eliminator gears etc. etc.
Due to this these engines are mechanically noisy and some models are more noisy than others.
As for the Monster 1200 and Diavel motors being the same - not so much - they share the engine displacement but that is about it.
Camshaft timing and valve lift has a drastic effect on engine sounds.
The engine placement in the chassis and the surrounding components such as airbox - electronic components - fuel tank - and cooling methods will effect the outcome of engine sounds that you hear while riding.
Even adding a windscreen to a bike will amplify engine sounds that would not normally be heard by the rider.
In this case the culprit is a combination valve timing - airbox design and placement - and the fueltank material and construction.
Without getting too technical - Do Not Worry - your bike is OK - the sounds in the video are completely normal for this model.

Rosso Classico 10-31-2016 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mister Ducati (Post 3070682)
Yes this sound is normal for this model. And Sonic Duck is basically correct as to the air box being the culprit.
All Ducati engines use light weight/thin wall engine casings and without any sound dampeners such as backlash eliminator gears etc. etc.
Due to this these engines are mechanically noisy and some models are more noisy than others.
As for the Monster 1200 and Diavel motors being the same - not so much - they share the engine displacement but that is about it.
Camshaft timing and valve lift has a drastic effect on engine sounds.
The engine placement in the chassis and the surrounding components such as airbox - electronic components - fuel tank - and cooling methods will effect the outcome of engine sounds that you hear while riding.
Even adding a windscreen to a bike will amplify engine sounds that would not normally be heard by the rider.
In this case the culprit is a combination valve timing - airbox design and placement - and the fueltank material and construction.
Without getting too technical - Do Not Worry - your bike is OK - the sounds in the video are completely normal for this model.

mister Ducati, thanks for finding the time to explain all that thoroughly, really appreciate it my good man, if i was close beers would have been on me ;)

After a couple of weeks searching through the intrawebs i concluded that the sound is normal so i stopped worrying and yet, i was still curious as to why this is such a noisy bike since, again, i find said sound incredibly annoying...
Now couple that with the fact (before i knew it was "normal") that "weird" engine noises are not usually a good sign and...

Don't know guys, every one has its own personal pet peeves with this bike - what with the non easily readable dash, footpegs etc etc - that, well, i actually find it strange that no one mentioned it before, i mean, this thing sounds like...a rattling can full of nails for Christ's sake - and i've ridden Ducs with dry clutches... :grin

Footpegs not an issue for me (43Eu size shoes), matte screen protector works wonders for the dash (kind of:grin) but this? It really is a nuisance to say the least and not fixable, sincerely hope it won't drive me mad on my next trip when i'll be 8hours+ on my bike...

Thank you guys for your input and help, cheers

omegarider 11-01-2016 03:36 AM

Rosso, I hope this noise won't drive you crazy and that you won't enjoy the bike anymore. Just try to let it go, basically I just ignore it and often I don't hear it anymore. Just don't think of it as a problem, because it's not.

:wink

Sonic Duck 11-01-2016 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by omegarider (Post 3070922)
Rosso, I hope this noise won't drive you crazy and that you won't enjoy the bike anymore. Just try to let it go, basically I just ignore it and often I don't hear it anymore. Just don't think of it as a problem, because it's not.

:wink

I still wonder what y'all are hearing...guess I can't hear it over the ringing in my ears. Finally an upside to the years of abuse from loud motors and music!

(seriously kids, wear earplugs, wind noise alone can make life annoying later in life. Granted, mostly for those trying to talk to you in noisy places. So if you're an asshole and don't listen to anyone anyways, maybe it's a benefit and you get used to the ringing eventually. Nevermind, totally lose your hearing. It's a gift :devil)

Brianq103 11-01-2016 08:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by omegarider (Post 3070922)
Rosso, I hope this noise won't drive you crazy and that you won't enjoy the bike anymore. Just try to let it go, basically I just ignore it and often I don't hear it anymore. Just don't think of it as a problem, because it's not.

:wink

I agree. Just pretend it's the wife!:grin

The first time I really noticed the mechanical sound coming from this bike was a situation where I was surrounded by cars at a stop light. I thought to myself "what the hell is that racket?" :0

omegarider 11-01-2016 09:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sonic Duck (Post 3070930)
I still wonder what y'all are hearing...guess I can't hear it over the ringing in my ears. Finally an upside to the years of abuse from loud motors and music!

(seriously kids, wear earplugs, wind noise alone can make life annoying later in life. Granted, mostly for those trying to talk to you in noisy places. So if you're an asshole and don't listen to anyone anyways, maybe it's a benefit and you get used to the ringing eventually. Nevermind, totally lose your hearing. It's a gift :devil)

I think not everyone can hear it, some people are more sensitive to certain frequencies than others. Consider yourself lucky. :devil

As for earplugs, I actually wanted to ask, I've always thought that wearing earplugs I won't be able to hear cars near me or if someone is honking at me? I'm just thinking it could be more dangerous, or my thinking is wrong?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brianq103 (Post 3070938)
I agree. Just pretend it's the wife!:grin

The first time I really noticed the mechanical sound coming from this bike was a situation where I was surrounded by cars at a stop light. I thought to myself "what the hell is that racket?" :0

Hahaha... once you get used to it, you could even fall asleep, lol :laugh

Bono61 11-01-2016 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by omegarider (Post 3070946)
I think not everyone can hear it, some people are more sensitive to certain frequencies than others. Consider yourself lucky. :devil

As for earplugs, I actually wanted to ask, I've always thought that wearing earplugs I won't be able to hear cars near me or if someone is honking at me? I'm just thinking it could be more dangerous, or my thinking is wrong?



Hahaha... once you get used to it, you could even fall asleep, lol :laugh


Actually when wearing earplugs you can hear pretty much everything ..... like someone next to you talking ..... the earplugs ( soft ones ) act as mechanical noise canceling devices ... you will be aware and hear your surroundings .. try them for a while .... they work pretty good

omegarider 11-01-2016 01:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bono61 (Post 3070962)
Actually when wearing earplugs you can hear pretty much everything ..... like someone next to you talking ..... the earplugs ( soft ones ) act as mechanical noise canceling devices ... you will be aware and hear your surroundings .. try them for a while .... they work pretty good

Thanks, I should try some earplugs, any good recommendation?

By the way, will earplugs work with helmet headphones? I have the Sena 10C communication system on my helmet.

:nerd

Bono61 11-01-2016 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by omegarider (Post 3070970)
Thanks, I should try some earplugs, any good recommendation?

By the way, will earplugs work with helmet headphones? I have the Sena 10C communication system on my helmet.

:nerd

The best ones are the soft foam ones ..... buy them by the dozen ... dont get the hard ones ..... use them a few times then discard ..... earplugs get dirty very easy ...
You should not have any problems with you audio .... maybe raise the volume a little


Cheers

Sonic Duck 11-01-2016 04:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by omegarider (Post 3070946)
...
As for earplugs, I actually wanted to ask, I've always thought that wearing earplugs I won't be able to hear cars near me or if someone is honking at me? I'm just thinking it could be more dangerous, or my thinking is wrong?

I find I'm actually more keen because earplugs (I just wear foam disposables...which also happen to have one of the highest noise reduction ratings) get rid of the trash noises that distract.

In particular, high frequencies such as wind noise. Which is what kills your hearing anyways. Cars and other things I want to hear I hear just as well as I did without plugs.

Sonic Duck 11-01-2016 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by omegarider (Post 3070970)
Thanks, I should try some earplugs, any good recommendation?

By the way, will earplugs work with helmet headphones? I have the Sena 10C communication system on my helmet.

:nerd

I wear purafits which work well for my small ears.

http://www.earplugstore.com/mopufit3bof2.html

I have a Sena and I can hear it fine with plugs in.

Deano747 11-01-2016 06:06 PM

I have a set of custom moulded earplugs. You have to go to a place that does them and they inject a substance into the ear that moulds to your shape.

However, the soft foam ones are good as well.

As others have said, you actually hear better with them in as it filters out all the really crappy noise. So traffic noise is fine, sirens are fine, wind is lowered, engine is sweeter :)

Your in-helmet speakers will work just fine with them, just need it at a higher volume.

RedHouse 11-01-2016 06:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by omegarider (Post 3070970)
Thanks, I should try some earplugs, any good recommendation?


:nerd

I wear these Moldex ear plugs....mostly cause I get 'em from work, but they work very well.

http://www.moldex.com/hearing-protec...sparkplugs.php

omegarider 11-01-2016 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bono61 (Post 3070978)
The best ones are the soft foam ones ..... buy them by the dozen ... dont get the hard ones ..... use them a few times then discard ..... earplugs get dirty very easy ...
You should not have any problems with you audio .... maybe raise the volume a little


Cheers

Thanks again, that's awesome, I will try some foam earplugs on my next ride, disposable ones sound great to me. :grin [thumbsup]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sonic Duck (Post 3070986)
I find I'm actually more keen because earplugs (I just wear foam disposables...which also happen to have one of the highest noise reduction ratings) get rid of the trash noises that distract.

In particular, high frequencies such as wind noise. Which is what kills your hearing anyways. Cars and other things I want to hear I hear just as well as I did without plugs.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sonic Duck (Post 3070994)
I wear purafits which work well for my small ears.

http://www.earplugstore.com/mopufit3bof2.html

I have a Sena and I can hear it fine with plugs in.

Nice, thanks! I also don't have very big ears :grin, and I just found some Pura-Fits at a local online shop. :devil

Have you tried other foam earplugs from Moldex? They have so many different ones, like the Sparkplugs and Meteors.

:nerd

omegarider 11-01-2016 06:31 PM

Rosso, you should try some plugs too, might slow down the process of driving you crazy. :laugh

Quote:

Originally Posted by Deano747 (Post 3071010)
I have a set of custom moulded earplugs. You have to go to a place that does them and they inject a substance into the ear that moulds to your shape.

However, the soft foam ones are good as well.

As others have said, you actually hear better with them in as it filters out all the really crappy noise. So traffic noise is fine, sirens are fine, wind is lowered, engine is sweeter :)

Your in-helmet speakers will work just fine with them, just need it at a higher volume.

Thanks, great to know you guys are also using in-helmet speakers. Custom molded earplugs are probably more comfortable, but not sure where I can get them locally though. I will try some soft foam ones first. :grin

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedHouse (Post 3071018)
I wear these Moldex ear plugs....mostly cause I get 'em from work, but they work very well.

http://www.moldex.com/hearing-protec...sparkplugs.php

Thanks, the local online store also has these and the Meteors. They have so many it's starting to get confusing. :laugh According to Moldex's website, it seems like the Meteors should be the most comfortable. I guess I will try all of them since I can get them in single pairs. :devil

Sonic Duck 11-01-2016 08:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by omegarider (Post 3071026)

Have you tried other foam earplugs from Moldex? They have so many different ones, like the Sparkplugs and Meteors.

:nerd

I started with this:

http://www.earplugstore.com/foearpltrpa2.html

To be honest, I didn't try them all. The pura-fits worked well and were comfy even after a full day of riding so I bought a box of 'em and have been using them for the last four years or so. Still have plenty left in my box of 200, I use 'em for 5 or so rides before tossing them.

I have one of these to carry them around in:

http://bikemaster.com/cool-stuff/pro...h-carrier.html

Keeps them clean and dry.

If you can't find the bikemaster one reasonably priced, it's just a repurposed one of these:

https://www.amazon.com/Pillbox-Keych.../dp/B00GG13Q7Q

Brianq103 11-02-2016 10:08 AM

Hey Omega, you also have to stick 'em in your mouth like Rossi does before you put them in.:grin

Of course if you're reusing them like Sonic is you'll have to get used to the taste of earwax! :smile

Sonic Duck 11-02-2016 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brianq103 (Post 3071154)
Hey Omega, you also have to stick 'em in your mouth like Rossi does before you put them in.:grin

Of course if you're reusing them like Sonic is you'll have to get used to the taste of earwax! :smile

mmmmMMmMMmmMm...tasty :devil

and what's wrong with you freaks? Why would you stick something in your filthy mouth and then stick it in your ear?

omegarider 11-02-2016 04:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brianq103 (Post 3071154)
Hey Omega, you also have to stick 'em in your mouth like Rossi does before you put them in.:grin

Of course if you're reusing them like Sonic is you'll have to get used to the taste of earwax! :smile

lol, he does that? I haven't seen photos of him doing it, but I've seen others though. :laugh

http://i63.tinypic.com/24l4jo7.jpg

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sonic Duck (Post 3071170)
mmmmMMmMMmmMm...tasty :devil

and what's wrong with you freaks? Why would you stick something in your filthy mouth and then stick it in your ear?

Lubrication, lol! :laugh

Mik 11-03-2016 05:32 AM

when I was working in oilfield, we had to wear earplugs. Depending on the outer coating some are smooth and rough. the smooth ones tend to stick to your ear canal and when it was time to remove them it felt like it was sucking your ears out. Licking them before inserting ensured they were able to be removed without discomfort.

Sonic Duck 11-03-2016 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mik (Post 3071338)
when I was working in oilfield, we had to wear earplugs. Depending on the outer coating some are smooth and rough. the smooth ones tend to stick to your ear canal and when it was time to remove them it felt like it was sucking your ears out. Licking them before inserting ensured they were able to be removed without discomfort.

Half Korean here with wet ear wax so no sticking. Always plenty of lubrication...:grin

Mik 11-03-2016 09:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sonic Duck (Post 3071346)
Half Korean here with wet ear wax so no sticking. Always plenty of lubrication...:grin

ahh thats where I went wrong...1/4 Jap, korean, aussie, brit here....Not enough lube in my ear canals lol. Nothing worse than pulling the plug out and seeing a trail of brown earwax lol

dest_77 03-09-2017 11:21 PM

I was about to take my 2015 1200s to the dealer for the exact same thing, I too thought it was the wind maybe but then i hear it at idle all the time. 696 never did it. It's like a constant high pitch metallic rattleing sound yeah? If so I wont bother taking it in. Thanks.


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