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post #1 of 8 (permalink) Old 02-12-2018, 10:50 AM Thread Starter
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1100s vs evo

Hi guys,

I have 2 option available at this moment

Monster 1100S 2009 with 41000 miles
Monster 1100 Evo 2012 with 18000 miles

I had 696 in the past and absolutely love the monsters (espicailly air cooled).
Can you please advice me from your experience ?
41000 miles considered high ?

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I'd be looking at a few other small details before deciding...

Price
Condition
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Maintenance records

With you on the air-cooled monsters. I have a '13 1100 Evo (Diesel) and '13 796. Love them both.
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41K is considered high by most people, but isn't really a problem *if* the bike has been maintained well. I've seen several Monsters and Supersports with over 100K on them, and had 265K on my own M900 Monster.

I have heard that the bottom end and cases are more robust on the pre-Evo bikes. The S model has a better suspension as well. I'd go with whichever one is in better condition and with better records of maintenance. But if they're both about the same for that aspect, I'd pick the older one, all else being equal.

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As Phil says, I would not worry about mileage if the bike has been well maintained.
Rather I would ask what sort of riding to you intend to do?
The 1100S has better suspension which comes in handy when riding twisty roads or track day.
However it has a dry clutch (more maintenance) and generates a lot of heat when sitting in traffic.
The Evo has better ergonomics (higher handle bar and rear set) and different exhaust routing which makes it slightly more bearable.


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I have heard that the bottom end and cases are more robust on the pre-Evo bikes.
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Would you mind to elaborate? Is that because the cases are produced using vaccuum die-casting?
Has there been reports of damage not due to crash?
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The mileage isn't an issue in my book, but I'd still try to get a much lower price for the S.

Beyond the mileage, it's a matter of taste. Dry clutch versus wet, suspension, exhaust placement, color.
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... Would you mind to elaborate? Is that because the cases are produced using vaccuum die-casting?
Has there been reports of damage not due to crash?
I don't know the details exactly. The Evo cases are lighter and thinner. I've heard they don't survive crashes as well, and that there have been failures from having the kickstand plate bolted to them. I've heard of bearing failures, possibly attributable to reduced rigidity of the cases. I do not have concrete examples of failure; I just have rumors. But I've heard several such rumors now, and so I hold a bit of suspicion.

For the great majority of riders, they are probably totally fine. If they were having frequent problems, I'm sure we'd all know about them. But for me, 80K is average for keeping a bike, and my last Ducati had 265K on it, so I'm sensitive to these things.

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I don't know the details exactly. The Evo cases are lighter and thinner. I've heard they don't survive crashes as well, and that there have been failures from having the kickstand plate bolted to them. I've heard of bearing failures, possibly attributable to reduced rigidity of the cases. I do not have concrete examples of failure; I just have rumors. But I've heard several such rumors now, and so I hold a bit of suspicion.

For the great majority of riders, they are probably totally fine. If they were having frequent problems, I'm sure we'd all know about them. But for me, 80K is average for keeping a bike, and my last Ducati had 265K on it, so I'm sensitive to these things.

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Thanks to the mighty Google, I could find a few threads on other Ducati forum on the subject. But no definitive conclusion. Most cracked crankcases were due to crash from what I've read. And who knows if a sand cast vs die cast would have a difference. Bearing failures seems widespread among Ducati sportsbikes regardless of the crankcase. From the threads, it seems related to the characteristics of the bearing and not the crankcase casting. Maybe someone more knowledgeable might chime in.

IMHO for someone interested to put a lots of kms/miles on a Monster 696/796/1100, the odometer having only 5 digits and getting stuck at 99999 would be the main issue. As far as I know there is no solution to this.
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Thanks to the mighty Google, I could find a few threads on other Ducati forum on the subject. But no definitive conclusion. Most cracked crankcases were due to crash from what I've read. And who knows if a sand cast vs die cast would have a difference. Bearing failures seems widespread among Ducati sportsbikes regardless of the crankcase. From the threads, it seems related to the characteristics of the bearing and not the crankcase casting. Maybe someone more knowledgeable might chime in.

IMHO for someone interested to put a lots of kms/miles on a Monster 696/796/1100, the odometer having only 5 digits and getting stuck at 99999 would be the main issue. As far as I know there is no solution to this.
Has this been an issue? It can probably be reset by a dealer or an online service provider.
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