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Old 05-13-2006, 07:53 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Temperature Related Engine Trouble - RESOLVED(?)

-Bike Info-
I'm posting about my '05 S2R. I've had the bike since September and put about 4,300 miles on it. For those not familiar with this model, it has the 803 cc air/oil cooled two-valve fuel injected motor. The bike is in stock trim except for removal of some stickers, reflectors, and the evaporative filter. This bike serves as daily transportation to and from work (7 miles each way) during the week, with longer rides on some weekends (Typically ~100 miles about 2-3 weekends/month).

-Rider Info-
25 years old. I've been riding for a little more than 1 year - first on my father-in-law's 2000 HD Sportster 883 and now on my Monster. I have an engineering background, so I understand engine basics. I would have Ducati's shop manual for the S2R, but it has not been released (as of a month ago). In any case I have no fear of working on my bike and plan to do most of my own maintenance, including valve checks.

-Location-
Palmdale, CA; ~20 miles south of Willow Springs International Raceway. Part of the Mojave desert.

-The Problem-
The power delivery of the engine becomes very choppy/jerky when the weather is warm. When I ride home from work, the engine will run just fine when I first start the bike. As I put my gear on, it will warm up for ~2 minutes at 1250 RPM (set by the 'choke lever'). Within the first mile or two, the engine will start to sporadically lurch (power cuts in and out) when under load (while accelerating). This gets progressively worse as I ride: next lurching while I am holding speed and eventually affecting the bike as it idles. This behavior is not limited to low RPM conditions, as it will continue to occur past 5k on the tach. I used to only experience this occasionally, so I thought it might be a bad tank of gas, but as the weather has warmed it is happening consistently. I never have any trouble on my way to work, leaving around 6:00 am.

The answer to this problem should be 'take it to the dealer', since the bike is still under warranty. However, the nearest dealer (in Glendale) is separated from me by ~50 miles, ~1,000 ft of elevation and 15o F of temperature and they have not been able to replicate my problem. The last time I took the bike in it was lurching as I left home and as I hit the Angeles Forest Highway, but was back to normal as I descended into town and approached the dealership. Talk about frustrating!

On my ride home from the dealer today, I tried keeping the engine running at or above 6k for a stretch of open road, and the stumbling seemed less severe. Also, the stuttering power was accompanied by a single *pop* as I pulled away from one stop sign.

I think that covers it. Sorry for the lengthy post, but I'm trying to be thorough. I am really looking forward to my first track day in a couple of weeks (Streets of Willow) to improve my riding skills, but this engine problem really takes away from my concentration and confidence when I ride. I'm new to motorcycling, but looking to learn all I can. Let me know if any pictures or additional information would be helpful.

Thanks in advance for your help.

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Old 05-13-2006, 08:21 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Have you checked spark plugs? Stock airbox? What does it idle at?
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Old 05-13-2006, 08:31 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Plugs looked ok, but I'll post some pics in a bit so others can be the judge. Best I can tell they are the proper 'golden brown'. Plug gap is correct. They are still the stock Champion plugs, though I'm considering ordering the equvalent NGK replacements.

Intake and exhaust are stock, save for a K&N air filter that I probably should have mentioned in the original post.
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Old 05-13-2006, 08:32 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Oh yeah, when warm it idles at about 1k RPM.
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Old 05-13-2006, 08:47 PM   #5 (permalink)
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My engine pretty much doesnt want to run at 1000rpm or below. Idle should be 1100-1300 rpm. Maybe try a test run with the "choke" opened up a little bit so it idles at 1200 and see if it runs better. Dont know much about adjusting F.I. but i know dealers can adjust idle or throttle position for you.
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Here is a shot of the plugs.



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Throttle synch, TPS and idle speed should be checked, along with CO adjustment.
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Time to flex my ignorance: TPS?
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Time to flex my ignorance: TPS?
Throttle position sensor. What I mentioned should be done by a shop unless you have the tools, info and some experience. What you might try yourself is some new spark plugs and see what happens.
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Old 05-14-2006, 12:07 PM   #10 (permalink)
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I'm trying to diagnose the same problem on my bike as well. I believe it may be fuel starvation caused by vapor lock. In the process of rerouting my fuel lines farther away from the hot spots... Tomorrow I'll be testing if it helps.
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