2004 Ducati 749R Track Bike

[desmoworks]

Hello everyone. I've got a 2004 749R #218 up for sale. I purchased this bike not too long ago as I've always wanted an '04 749R for a track bike because as you all know it is one of the coolest production bikes Ducati has ever made with a lot of trick bits! Long story short... I've decided to keep my 675 as a track bike and need the garage space as I just bought a new car. The 675 is a test mule for a big bore kit Bruce is working on + I've really been enjoying it on the track!

This bike was laid down by the original owner (in California) and both sides were damaged and as was the tank. As you know the sides are full carbon fiber. This obviously totaled the bike so it now has a salvage title. I still have the carbon sides if the new owner wants them. The second owner used the bike for a track bike then I bought it. There are supposed to be less than 3000 total miles on the bike and around 500 of them track miles.

I can't say for certain as the original dash was changed due to damage from the accident so it reads a different mileage.

As for the bikes current condition... it is in fantastic shape. When I got it I'll admit it was more rough than expected, but I put some time and money into it to get it back up to par.

What was done in the last month:
1. New Armour Bodies bodywork and Dzus fasteners
2. Oil and filter change
3. Air filter change
4. Chain lube/adjusted
5. New aluminum clutch plates for slipper
6. New pressure plate and throw out bearing
7. New SpeedyMoto stainless springs and caps
8. Fluid flush/renewal
9. Belts checked, are fine
10. All fasteners checked for proper torque
11. New Driven gel grips
12. New rear sets with GP shift and standard shift lever and linkage. Also include carbon heel guards which I haven't installed yet.

When I received it the bike already had CRG levers and the Ducati Performance race fairing stay w/ wiring loom.

The bike is in really nice shape for a track bike and should have no problem continuing on for quite some time. If feels very strong and put out around 119hp on our Dynojet dyno. I can find the printout and post it as well.

I also have a Rapid Bike module on the way for this bike and can tune it up if the new owner would like. The module isn't included in the sale, but I can add it no problem.

As mentioned above the tank is damaged on the left side (see images). It holds fuel and passes tech, but I'd get it fixed if I was going to keep the bike since it is a rare fuel tank (larger capacity!). I left the bodywork primed so the new owner could get the tank fixed (or I could arrange it for you) then have the entire bike painted to your choice of color scheme. The only other issue is the front forks... both fork seals are leaking and need to be replaced. This is roughly a $300 job. I didn't do this as I thought the new owner might want to change the fork setup to their weight so it would be silly to spend the money twice. Right now the bike is setup for a 200 lb rider. I am 165 lbs so it is harsh for me... I would have had to change it for sure. Also there is no windscreen on the bike. The other bodywork that was on it was nasty OEM painted flat black and the screen was all scraped up so I didn't transfer it to the new bodywork. I can supply a screen for around $80 if needed.

Other than that, the bike has some small scratches and a small ding in the frame... fairly normal wear besides the frame ding. It is not in a visible spot though and the entire bike was checked to verify it was still straight after the accident so no worries there.

Included are a few bits not on the bike - see the image of what is.

I can ship this bike anywhere in the US for $700 or you can arrange shipping and save some dough... or you can pick it up anytime.

Asking price is $12,500 - but I'm open to offers. KBB has the bike at $14,680, but that is in street trim which this is not. Also KBB is usually incorrect in one direction or another, but is sometimes a good reference.

Some images, but please contact me with any questions. anthony@desmoworks.com or 888-420-5211.

More images may be seen here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/desmowo...th/2593793997/

[desmoworks]

[Monstermash]

You want $12K for it with a salavage title???

[desmoworks]

No, I want $100K but we don't always get what we want!

The salvage title doesn't mean anything for a track only bike. I have paperwork verifying the straightness of the frame and components.

I just put a random number on it. KBB puts $14680 on it in stock form. What does the monstermash blue book price it at as is?

[desmoworks]

On ebay, $9500 starting bid with no reserve.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...m=270248644498

[Monstermash]

Originally Posted by desmoworks

No, I want $100K but we don't always get what we want!

The salvage title doesn't mean anything for a track only bike. I have paperwork verifying the straightness of the frame and components.

I just put a random number on it. KBB puts $14680 on it in stock form. What does the monstermash blue book price it at as is?

Ummm yeah... KBB may have it at $14680 but thats assuming it has a clear title. Salvage bikes typically sell for about 1/2 of what the retail value of a clean title bike.

I don't know to many people that will spend $12K on a "track only" bike especially one with a salvage title that can't be put back to stock and ridden on the road. But then again there are a lot of people out there with more money than brains.

It's funny, this is the same approach you took with me last year when I called and wanted to spend $6,000 with you on Mods/upgrades on my Monster. I spent the money elsewhere because I got a much better deal so it looks like this would be your typical M.O.

Good luck with the sale.

[desmoworks]

So your approach is to lowball and think you deserve a discount for some unnamed reason and mine is to be fair to both parties. ha. I'll take my MO over yours any day.

I get customers like you all the time... think I should be impressed that they want to spend $6000 or more and I should offer them items slightly above cost so I make no money at all. Well, needless to say I'm not impressed and don't deal with customers like that (you). I'm more than happy to let you guys go buy somewhere else and be someone elses problem and many vendors are happy to give stuff away for some reason. The amount of hassle involved with people like this is never worth the effort in the sale as the profit margin is so low as you beat up the retailer to get it that way. I'm sure there is a net loss on most of these deals when all the hassle, time, bs is factored in.

Prime example of an attitude of a customer like this is this thread... you have no intention of buying this bike, yet you still are in the thread acting like an asshole. I'm free to ask whatever I want for any motorcycle I want. If you don't like the price move on. How hard is that?

If you think this is a $7000 bike then you are really showing your ignorance. I also laugh when you say

"I don't know to many people that will spend $12K on a "track only" bike especially one with a salvage title that can't be put back to stock and ridden on the road. But then again there are a lot of people out there with more money than brains."

again showing ignorance. The majority of my customers are track only riders and racers... they spend much more than $12,000 on a "track only" bike - some actually use these bikes for what they are meant for, crazy huh!? The 749R is not a street bike and it is a shame that you think that is what someone who buys it should do with it.

Not that you would ever buy a desmosedici, but my customers/friends who have them are using them on the track... but they must have more money than brains. And I suppose they are in a financial position to have a $65,000+ track bike because they have no brains, right?

Enough ranting... guys like you just burn me up though. Totally clueless.

Originally Posted by Monstermash

Ummm yeah... KBB may have it at $14680 but thats assuming it has a clear title. Salvage bikes typically sell for about 1/2 of what the retail value of a clean title bike.

I don't know to many people that will spend $12K on a "track only" bike especially one with a salvage title that can't be put back to stock and ridden on the road. But then again there are a lot of people out there with more money than brains.

It's funny, this is the same approach you took with me last year when I called and wanted to spend $6,000 with you on Mods/upgrades on my Monster. I spent the money elsewhere because I got a much better deal so it looks like this would be your typical M.O.

Good luck with the sale.

[desmoworks]

And for those interested... I put $12K on it as I knew people would offer $8K. As the ebay auction states I'll take $9.5K. It is easily worth more than that parted out so if nobody wants it at $9.5K I'll part it out.

[Monstermash]

First off, I never asked you to sell me anything for "just over cost." I told you what I was planning on doing to my bike and promised to buy everything I needed from you but I guess an extra 2-3% is too much to ask for huh?

I asked for a slightly larger discount because of the size of the order. Most shops know the value of a customer who spends large amounts of money with them. They usually do it more than once. Not to mention I don't know anyone who doesn't want a better deal and if you don't ask... Most shops are intelligent enough to make a sale and make money even if you can't retire off of that one sale. They would rather sell something and make a little money and earn a customer for the long term instead of acting like an ass when the potential customer askes for a better deal.

As an example I've spent over $10,000 in the parts dept. at a local Ducati dealer over the past 2-3 years and they always give me a great deal. They have earnd my business, they didn't just expect it which is what you seem to do. You keep telling yourself that you don't want to sell to customers like me and we'll see how your business is going in a few years. People are more intelligent than you give them credit for and if you don't take care of them they'll just go someplace else.

If you "knew" people were going to offer you $8K when you listed it for $12K then it seems like you are expecting alot more customers "like me" so you'll probably never sell anything if you don't want to deal with us.

Also that was over a year ago you were going to send me pics of that fork install and you never bothered so I guess customers aren't your first priority.

Thats the number one reason why I didn't buy a single part from you. If I spend thousands of dollars at your shop and there is no customer service and I have to deal with an attitude why would I buy from you. You couldn't even handle a simple thing like sending a few pictures and a parts list of what I would need to do the custom fork install that you claimed to have just completed.

On the contrary, every time I call Jason at Dept. of Suspension he takes the time to talk with me and answer any questions I may have, even if it's on a product he doesn't sell. I only spent around $2k at his shop but he's even offered to help me out with stuff he doesn't even sell by referring me to people he deals with to get a better deal or support. Great customer service is defined buy helping customers whether they are buying from you or not. Service before, during, and after the sale.

Here is a quote from your last post: "Prime example of an attitude of a customer like this is this thread... you have no intention of buying this bike, yet you still are in the thread acting like an asshole. I'm free to ask whatever I want for any motorcycle I want. If you don't like the price move on. How hard is that?"

It's not that hard really. But after the way you treated me last year I just gave you a little shot because of the asking price. That and I thought it my have been a misprint, like you wanted $10,500 but hit the 2 instead of the 0. I have kept my mouth shut for the last year reagrding your shitty customer service and now you come out and call me an asshole and ignorant. And how do you know I had no intention of buying this bike? You don't, but you assumed I didn't. I'd have bought it if it had a clean title and the stock parts to use it on the road and it hadn't hit everything but the lottery. Why do you think I was looking in the "Other bikes for sale" section? I wasn't looking to buy a boat.

Now onto the 749R. If it's meant for a track bike then why does Ducati offer it for sale with lights, signals, and a complete VIN#?

I never said it was only worth $7K. What I said was "Salvage bikes typically sell for about 1/2 of what the retail value of a clean title bike." I do think it's worth a little more than $7K, just not close to retail with a salvage title. Not to mention the bike in stock trim is worth way more than it is with a cheap set of race body work thats not even painted. An intelligent buyer looking for a track/race only bike would consider this and buy one with a clean title for a little more than your "asking price". Then he could part the lights, stock bodywork, and anything else thats not needed on a track/race bike and be into it for far less than what your asking and have a bike that hasn't been thrown down the road.

And while I'm on the subject of value, forget the salvage title part, how much to you think the TMU is going to affect the value? Not knowing the actual milage of the bike is kinda important, no? Thats why the government requires odometers right? Also considering the fact that this IS a Ducati it might be a good thing to know the actual milage for those important things like....what are they called again? Oh yeah, valve adjustments. Those are kinda important to do right?

With all this in mind let me see if I have this straight.

You have a bike that has a salvage title because it's been crashed. It doesn't have an odometer so there's no way to know the actual milage. It could be 3K, or it could be 4K or it could be 8K and be way past the required maintenance interval which probably should be done now anyway because of the hard use a "race only bike" gets. It doesn't have any of the required DOT saftey equipment like lights and turn signals. It doesn't have some of really expensive parts that come on the bike like the bodywork and the tank has damage. Did I miss anything? And considering all of this you think it's still worth almost retail? And you're calling me ignorant?

Alrighty then. Let me know how that sale goes...... as I stated before there are people out there with more money than brains.

PS. I have a book I'll be glad to send to you if you want it. It's call "Customers For Life" by Carl Sewell. You may find it usefull but it does cover controversial topics like proper follow up and not telling your potential customers they have an attitude.

[Monstermash]

Oh and one last thing.

There is a statistic you may be interested in. According to a well respected business magazine, pissing off ONE customer is equal to $2,000,000 in negative advertising. Yes thats TWO MILLION DOLLARS!!!!!!