Winter Storm Blankets Most of The Nation

[byelochka]

So what's up with that? How could such a brutally cold storm shed so much misery across the land? Oh I know. It must be that pesky Global Warming. Yes Global wArming has brought this "winter storm" in the middle of winter. Am I the only one who smells somethign rotten here? I bet those damn corporations engineered this storm with the help of Global Warming. Hmmmmmmmmm. So much cold in the middle of winter . . . Now that's an inconvenient truth.

Discuss . . .

[Wyrd]

in order to not have to reprint all 85 volumes of this

http://www.springerlink.com/content/...c1f251f5a&pi=0

let me bring this to Dennis Quaid terms

temperatures get warmer

the really big ice cube in the north melts

that cold water hits the Atlantic and the Pacific

disrupts the southern warm water flows

thus cooler airflow off the northern hemispheres coasts

and we have cold ass winter

several of the scientific theories conclude that global warming will produce an Ice Age

thus we have neato movies like

The Day After Tommorrow

Good?

Next

[byelochka]

Honestly? You are suggesting a net decrease in temp by an addition of heat to the cycle. The physics and the climatology are all junk. Junk Science.

[Wyrd]

Me, no

Scientists, yes

and net, no

but a localized decrease in temperature in one goegraphic location based on the increase in another

"Global Warming" is a buzzword right now

and unfortunately it is associated with a man made cause

we are coming out of an Ice Age so "Global Warming" is going to occur regardless of Man's influence or not

the debate is are we speeding up the natural cycle?

I don't have a finished opinion on that yet

but the fact that the polar ice caps are melting doesn't have to be debated

It is happening

and the effect on warm water currents doesn't need to be debated as that is fact as well

the only debate here is man's industrial affect on the time frame of a natural cycle of the earth

[byelochka]

Totally with you on the "actual debate," but the melting ice caps? Wether the water on the caps is in solid form or in liquid form, shouldn't make an impact on the climatology of the continent. Yes, ocean temperatures and currents are the single greatest influence of the weather, but if the ice caps are 'melting' then that watrer is no longer as cold as it was when it was frozen. If you are talking about a chunk of ice breaking off the cap and floating down south, then i'll conceed that the very local areal to that piece of polar cap is affected, but overall, there can be no decrease in temp with the addition of heat. Not even locally. The math just doesn't work out. SAme as if the polar cap melts, the oceans stay at teh same level since the amount of water displaced is the same weather the water is in liquid or solid form.

[Wyrd]

I can see the logic in that

and I cannot do but regurgitate what is happening in the North as I'm not there

but

what I see on the mountain I live on supports the idea of melting ice caps

our glacier is getting smaller year by year

So, I have agree with the idea based on what I am witnessing

[hangin_biposto]

A mere 2-3 degree temperature change overall could potentially have a serious impact on things. Research shows that the planet experiences a warming trend before an ice age, and based on past calculations, we're overdue.

It amazes me how many people think this would all be happening this quickly with or without us. Look around. See how we rape and pillage and ruin our environment with our industry and lifestyles of excess. Perhaps this warming trend would be happening without our help, but to completely disregard the fact that we may be accelerating things is ridiculous.

Conservation shouldn't be the result of the global warming debate. Conservation should be something everyone adopts just as a general rule to try to save what we have out of respect for this rock that's kind enough to let us hang around. We are not entitled to it; it is something we need to take care of whether it's in crisis or not. Perhaps if people got wise to this earlier in the game, and the government gave two shits from the beginning, global warming wouldn't even be a debate today.

One day Mum Nature is going to get pissed and shake us all off like a bunch of fleas anyway.

At least adopt a polar bear while you question the legitimacy of the disappearing ice.

[erkishhorde]

Originally Posted by byelochka

SAme as if the polar cap melts, the oceans stay at teh same level since the amount of water displaced is the same weather the water is in liquid or solid form.

If it's an ice cap, that makes me think top of a mountain and not under water already. So wouldn't the water from a melted ice cap increase sea level since you're adding something that wasn't there originally? On the other hand, ice takes up more space liquid water. So if you've got an ice berg and the bottom half starts melting, wouldn't you be decreasing the water level? Then again, if the bottom half is melting, the top half is too so the melting top half would raise the water level. I wish I had a big tub and a fat ice cube so I see if I'm right. [cheeky]

I'm with you on the no cooling by adding heat though.

[byelochka]

Originally Posted by Mother

what I see on the mountain I live on supports the idea of melting ice caps

our glacier is getting smaller year by year

So, I have agree with the idea based on what I am witnessing

Right you have a point there. If you are talking about ice that is sitting on a land mass (i.e. a glacier) rather than floating on the surface (i.e. the arctic cap) you would see some increase in wea level.
As for needing a tub and a large ice cube, you can see how this works by putting ice in a class of water. I'm just not a fan of any option that relys on "the government" to take care of the problem. It's not "the government's" problem that WE all like the stuff we purchase and use every day.

[sno_duc]

In our area, south central Alaska, I see glaciers retreating, Cook Inlet ices over later melts early and the ice isn't as thick. So maybe there is something to this. But it is a global yearly average so some places could actually be colder even throe the average is higher.
Glenn