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post #21 of 33 (permalink) Old 12-11-2016, 01:54 PM Thread Starter
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LOL it should be around freezing here as well - we are having an "unseasonal warm spell" but you wont hear me complaining

It was around 1-3degrees C last week (32-34f)

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post #22 of 33 (permalink) Old 12-11-2016, 03:08 PM
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The solenoid is just under the upper battery cover.
I watched the video and all seems to be normal.
What you can do is place your hand directly on the solenoid switch while the starter is cranking over - feel and listen for any clicking of the solenoid (note - this must be done while the starter is working - once the engine is running the test can not be done)
There should be one click at the beginning of the starting cycle and one click at the end.
Get back to me with the results ( how many clicks - and when they happen during the cycle )
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Sounds the same as mine as well. All my Ducati's have had that sort of speed on the first half revolution or so of the crankshaft.
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Is there some sort of auto compression release on these? If not, maybe there should be.

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The compression Ratio is listed as 12.5:1 which is the same as my BMW R1200GSW.

The 2 bikes spin over at very different speeds, so I suspect it is a function of either the output power of the starter motor, or the gearing of......

Certainly the battery needs to be kept in peak condition so a tender (not a charger) is a necessity. And with the cold oil it is worse.

I have found that it is somehow helpful to rock the bike in gear before I start it on cold mornings.....perhaps just my imagination
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The compression Ratio is listed as 12.5:1 which is the same as my BMW R1200GSW.

The 2 bikes spin over at very different speeds, so I suspect it is a function of either the output power of the starter motor, or the gearing of......

Certainly the battery needs to be kept in peak condition so a tender (not a charger) is a necessity. And with the cold oil it is worse.

I have found that it is somehow helpful to rock the bike in gear before I start it on cold mornings.....perhaps just my imagination
Maybe you're just loosening up all the wallaby guts stuck in the intake!
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Maybe you're just loosening up all the wallaby guts stuck in the intake!
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Mines (1200R) been struggling a bit now the weather in UK has got cold, even though the bike is stored in the garage.

It's not so much the turning over, more the initial cold running - need to hold the throttle once it's caught as it runs 'a bit rough' and won't keep going until a bit warmer without me helping it. After about 20-30 seconds, all's Ok.

I'm on the official Ducati battery conditioner as well and voltages / charging is all fine. Just doesn't like the cold - never been an issue since I had it from April.
I fired-up the boys today. No hesitations from the Panigale but the Monster was coldblooded. Needed help to maintain idle for about the same time as you described. However, the temperature was minus 2c. At a higher temperatures such as late November, it maintained its idle speed with no issues.

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My old 696 and my 1100 Evo have always been slow crankers, especially in the cold. I switched to Rotella T6 which has a low cold viscosity and it didn't really help. I switched to a lithium battery and nothing changed. The evo's starter did eventually die and I replaced it, but right now it still cranks slow when it's cold. And by cold, I mean 50 degrees F. In fact, one 50 degree day, it wouldn't start at all. It just kept clicking as I held in the starter button, which doesn't sound like a starter relay because it usually only clicks once when the battery is too weak. I couldn't really home in on where the clicking was coming from. It was almost as if the starter had seized. I kept trying and after about 5 minutes it cranked up, and I had to rev the bike up to keep it on. Once it warmed up, I had no problem.

I think the starting system just isn't designed strong enough to turn these motors quickly and strongly enough, either at the power source or at the starter. This is the only gripe I have about this bike. Every other problem I've had, I can deal with.

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My old 696 and my 1100 Evo have always been slow crankers, especially in the cold. I switched to Rotella T6 which has a low cold viscosity and it didn't really help. I switched to a lithium battery and nothing changed. The evo's starter did eventually die and I replaced it, but right now it still cranks slow when it's cold. And by cold, I mean 50 degrees F. In fact, one 50 degree day, it wouldn't start at all. It just kept clicking as I held in the starter button, which doesn't sound like a starter relay because it usually only clicks once when the battery is too weak. I couldn't really home in on where the clicking was coming from. It was almost as if the starter had seized. I kept trying and after about 5 minutes it cranked up, and I had to rev the bike up to keep it on. Once it warmed up, I had no problem.

I think the starting system just isn't designed strong enough to turn these motors quickly and strongly enough, either at the power source or at the starter. This is the only gripe I have about this bike. Every other problem I've had, I can deal with.
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